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Ha Wagoso, SGI Smokescreen
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M***@rochester.rr.com
2008-10-26 00:29:50 UTC
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SGI teaches (stresses) that disrupting the unity of [SGI] believers
(Ha Wagoso) is the worst Buddhist sin and the principle cause for
falling into Hell. Nichiren, on the other hand, teaches the following
which of course the SGI doesn't teach (stress),

“A person of wisdom should not fear enemy households, snakes, the
poison of fire, the god Indra, the roll of thunder, attacks by swords
and staves, or wild beasts such as tigers, wolves, and lions. For
these can only destroy one’s life, but cannot cause one to fall into
the Avichi hell, which is truly terrifying. What one should fear is
slander of the profound teaching as well as companions who are
slanderers, for these will surely cause one to fall into the frightful
Avichi hell. Even if one befriends evil companions and with evil
intent spills the Buddha’s blood, kills one’s own father and mother,
takes the lives of many sages, disrupts the unity of the Buddhist
Order, and destroys all one’s roots of goodness, if one fixes one’s
mind on the correct teaching, one can free oneself from that place.
But if there is someone who slanders the inconceivably profound
teaching, that person will for immeasurable kalpas be unable to obtain
emancipation. However, if there is one who can cause others to awaken
to and take faith in a teaching such as this, then that person is
their father and mother, and also their good friend. This is a person
of wisdom. After the Thus Come One’s passing, that person corrects
false views and perverse thoughts, and causes people to enter the true
way. For that reason, he has pure faith in the three treasures, and
his virtuous actions lead others to enlightenment.” (The Problem To Be
Pondered Night and Day)

The SGI, because they correct true views and compliant thoughts and
cause people to enter the false way, they stress the lesser evil of
breaking the unity of believers (which, in the case of opposing the
SGI's greater evil of distorting the teachings, is actually a great
good) rather than the greatest good of practicing as the Buddha
Shakyamuni, the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Daishonin teach.

Since we of the Kempon Hokke, just as our Master, Nichiren Daishonin,
have faith in and practice the true teachings and after the Thus Come
One’s passing, correct false views and perverse thoughts, and cause
people to enter the true way, we can never be accused of being
slanderers. For this reason, having pure faith in the three treasures,
our virtuous actions never fail to lead others to enlightenment. The
SGI's slander of the correct teachings and the true believers is by
far the worst offense and the cause for falling into hell.

The teachings on Ha Wagoso is a smokescreen the SGI uses for failing
to uphold the golden teachings of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren
Daishonin.

Mark
cmk
2008-10-27 20:57:42 UTC
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Post by M***@rochester.rr.com
SGI teaches (stresses) that disrupting the unity of [SGI] believers
(Ha Wagoso) is the worst Buddhist sin and the principle cause for
falling into Hell. Nichiren, on the other hand, teaches the following
which of course the SGI doesn't teach (stress),
“A person of wisdom should not fear enemy households, snakes, the
poison of fire, the god Indra, the roll of thunder, attacks by swords
and staves, or wild beasts such as tigers, wolves, and lions. For
these can only destroy one’s life, but cannot cause one to fall into
the Avichi hell, which is truly terrifying. What one should fear is
slander of the profound teaching as well as companions who are
slanderers, for these will surely cause one to fall into the frightful
Avichi hell. Even if one befriends evil companions and with evil
intent spills the Buddha’s blood, kills one’s own father and mother,
takes the lives of many sages, disrupts the unity of the Buddhist
Order, and destroys all one’s roots of goodness, if one fixes one’s
mind on the correct teaching, one can free oneself from that place.
But if there is someone who slanders the inconceivably profound
teaching, that person will for immeasurable kalpas be unable to obtain
emancipation. However, if there is one who can cause others to awaken
to and take faith in a teaching such as this, then that person is
their father and mother, and also their good friend. This is a person
of wisdom. After the Thus Come One’s passing, that person corrects
false views and perverse thoughts, and causes people to enter the true
way. For that reason, he has pure faith in the three treasures, and
his virtuous actions lead others to enlightenment.” (The Problem To Be
Pondered Night and Day)
The SGI, because they correct true views and compliant thoughts and
cause people to enter the false way, they stress the lesser evil of
breaking the unity of believers (which, in the case of opposing the
SGI's greater evil of distorting the teachings, is actually a great
good) rather than the greatest good of practicing as the Buddha
Shakyamuni, the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Daishonin teach.
Since we of the Kempon Hokke, just as our Master, Nichiren Daishonin,
have faith in and practice the true teachings and after the Thus Come
One’s passing, correct false views and perverse thoughts, and cause
people to enter the true way, we can never be accused of being
slanderers. For this reason, having pure faith in the three treasures,
our virtuous actions never fail to lead others to enlightenment. The
SGI's slander of the correct teachings and the true believers is by
far the worst offense and the cause for falling into hell.
The teachings on Ha Wagoso is a smokescreen the SGI uses for failing
to uphold the golden teachings of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren
Daishonin.
Mark
Again, if you spend more time with a nice hobby instead
of taking someone's members YOU would be better off.

I would say it's better do some WORK and do your own
shakubuku of members, but your practice is soooo demented, you
slander others to get members instead of using teachings in
Nichiren Daishonin's GOSHO as your guide. Maybe you
should just NOT do any shakubuku until you practice in SGI.

You sound like a politician.

cmk
cmk
2008-10-28 06:23:28 UTC
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Post by M***@rochester.rr.com
SGI teaches (stresses) that disrupting the unity of [SGI] believers
(Ha Wagoso) is the worst Buddhist sin and the principle cause for
falling into Hell. Nichiren, on the other hand, teaches the following
which of course the SGI doesn't teach (stress),
“A person of wisdom should not fear enemy households, snakes, the
poison of fire, the god Indra, the roll of thunder, attacks by swords
and staves, or wild beasts such as tigers, wolves, and lions. For
these can only destroy one’s life, but cannot cause one to fall into
the Avichi hell, which is truly terrifying. What one should fear is
slander of the profound teaching as well as companions who are
slanderers, for these will surely cause one to fall into the frightful
Avichi hell. Even if one befriends evil companions and with evil
intent spills the Buddha’s blood, kills one’s own father and mother,
takes the lives of many sages, disrupts the unity of the Buddhist
Order, and destroys all one’s roots of goodness, if one fixes one’s
mind on the correct teaching, one can free oneself from that place.
But if there is someone who slanders the inconceivably profound
teaching, that person will for immeasurable kalpas be unable to obtain
emancipation. However, if there is one who can cause others to awaken
to and take faith in a teaching such as this, then that person is
their father and mother, and also their good friend. This is a person
of wisdom. After the Thus Come One’s passing, that person corrects
false views and perverse thoughts, and causes people to enter the true
way. For that reason, he has pure faith in the three treasures, and
his virtuous actions lead others to enlightenment.” (The Problem To Be
Pondered Night and Day)
The SGI, because they correct true views and compliant thoughts and
cause people to enter the false way, they stress the lesser evil of
breaking the unity of believers (which, in the case of opposing the
SGI's greater evil of distorting the teachings, is actually a great
good) rather than the greatest good of practicing as the Buddha
Shakyamuni, the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Daishonin teach.
Since we of the Kempon Hokke, just as our Master, Nichiren Daishonin,
have faith in and practice the true teachings and after the Thus Come
One’s passing, correct false views and perverse thoughts, and cause
people to enter the true way, we can never be accused of being
slanderers. For this reason, having pure faith in the three treasures,
our virtuous actions never fail to lead others to enlightenment. The
SGI's slander of the correct teachings and the true believers is by
far the worst offense and the cause for falling into hell.
The teachings on Ha Wagoso is a smokescreen the SGI uses for failing
to uphold the golden teachings of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren
Daishonin.
Mark
This is Hokke Kempon at work!



cmk
M***@rochester.rr.com
2008-10-30 17:04:03 UTC
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Post by M***@rochester.rr.com
SGI teaches (stresses) that disrupting the unity of [SGI] believers
(Ha Wagoso) is the worst Buddhist sin and the principle cause for
falling into Hell. Nichiren, on the other hand, teaches the following
which of course the SGI doesn't teach (stress),
“A person of wisdom should not fear enemy households, snakes, the
poison of fire, the god Indra, the roll of thunder, attacks by swords
and staves, or wild beasts such as tigers, wolves, and lions. For
these can only destroy one’s life, but cannot cause one to fall into
the Avichi hell, which is truly terrifying. What one should fear is
slander of the profound teaching as well as companions who are
slanderers, for these will surely cause one to fall into the frightful
Avichi hell. Even if one befriends evil companions and with evil
intent spills the Buddha’s blood, kills one’s own father and mother,
takes the lives of many sages, disrupts the unity of the Buddhist
Order, and destroys all one’s roots of goodness, if one fixes one’s
mind on the correct teaching, one can free oneself from that place.
But if there is someone who slanders the inconceivably profound
teaching, that person will for immeasurable kalpas be unable to obtain
emancipation. However, if there is one who can cause others to awaken
to and take faith in a teaching such as this, then that person is
their father and mother, and also their good friend. This is a person
of wisdom. After the Thus Come One’s passing, that person corrects
false views and perverse thoughts, and causes people to enter the true
way. For that reason, he has pure faith in the three treasures, and
his virtuous actions lead others to enlightenment.” (The Problem To Be
Pondered Night and Day)
The SGI, because they correct true views and compliant thoughts and
cause people to enter the false way, they stress the lesser evil of
breaking the unity of believers (which, in the case of opposing the
SGI's greater evil of distorting the teachings, is actually a great
good) rather than the greatest good of practicing as the Buddha
Shakyamuni, the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Daishonin teach.
Since we of the Kempon Hokke, just as our Master, Nichiren Daishonin,
have faith in and practice the true teachings and after the Thus Come
One’s passing, correct false views and perverse thoughts, and cause
people to enter the true way, we can never be accused of being
slanderers. For this reason, having pure faith in the three treasures,
our virtuous actions never fail to lead others to enlightenment. The
SGI's slander of the correct teachings and the true believers is by
far the worst offense and the cause for falling into hell.
The teachings on Ha Wagoso is a smokescreen the SGI uses for failing
to uphold the golden teachings of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren
Daishonin.
Mark
This is Hokke Kempon at work!
http://youtu.be/Zi9GOvR3Ynw
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Cute. Here is the the Kempon Hokke versus the SGI:

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Click to see the animation.

Mark

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