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Another Stunning Vicotry in the Ikeda Cult
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Akira Knaff
2004-02-15 21:29:14 UTC
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Just one of many dismal experiences from the Ikeda cult.
Every week the World Tribune prints experiences of the
followers misfortunes, portraying them as some kind of
weird benefit. Make me wonder where the shoten zenjin
have run off to...

From: "gaydave53" <***@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:53 am
Subject: Gay SGI leader brutally attacked

HELLO:

National YMD leader Ken Saragosa, who is openly gay, was brutally
attacked a few days ago in an apparent bias crime (gaybashing)...

His Face will require extensive reconstructive surgery, but
hopefully he will recover...

Those who would deny equality of rights to homosexuals are
responsible for encouraging these acts of brutality by tacitly
approving the status of gays as second class citizens...

I would hope all SGI members would support recent moves toward the
legalization of gay marriage...after all, the right of the
individual to define his own relationships with others is
essential...those who would deny us the right to marry might as well
support our enslavement...in practice there is no difference...

Like the civil rights movement, the Gay rights movement will never
move backwards or slack off in any way...

Those religions which classify homosexuality as as "an abomination"
are, in my opinion, an abomination themselves...

Hate in the name of religious doctrine is the worst kind of hate
possible...for it appears to give that hate devine permission..
Thanks
David
Cody
2004-02-15 23:23:05 UTC
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"Akira Knaff" escribió
Post by Akira Knaff
Just one of many dismal experiences from the Ikeda cult.
Every week the World Tribune prints experiences of the
followers misfortunes, portraying them as some kind of
weird benefit. Make me wonder where the shoten zenjin
have run off to...
Date: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:53 am
Subject: Gay SGI leader brutally attacked
Hate in the name of religious doctrine is the worst kind of hate
possible...for it appears to give that hate devine permission..
Thanks
David
Tell that to your cult leader, David.

Cody
atheramari
2004-02-16 02:27:13 UTC
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Tell that to your cult leader, David.

Cody

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Tell that to YOURSELF, Cody. After frying Mercia over the flames (your own
member).

Hate women do you?

D
Cody
2004-02-16 10:31:14 UTC
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Post by Cody
Tell that to your cult leader, David.
Cody
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Tell that to YOURSELF, Cody.
I don't hate anyone and don't call out for the destruction of SGI like SGI
does about Nichiren Shoshu. I was just talking about the SGI in Argentina
with some Argentine Hokkeko members, and it seems one of the Ikeda SS men
through his dirty political contacts with Menem managed, through lies, to
get one of our priests kicked out of the county. Then there was the voodoo
Daimoku campaign both for the "destruction of Nichiren Shoshu" and to try
and prevent our High Priest from conducting a ceremony for the victims of
9/11. Can you name ONE OFFICIAL INCIDENT that Nichiren Shoshu has promoted
to hate SGI? Can you? I don't think so, crazy lady.

After frying Mercia over the flames (your own
Post by Cody
member).
Um, Mercia fries herself; she needs no help from me and she is not "my
member". She's nuts and it's too bad and I hope she gets help some day.
Post by Cody
Hate women do you?
D
Not at all.

Cody
atheramari
2004-02-17 08:25:04 UTC
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CODY Says: I don't hate anyone and don't call out for the destruction of SGI
like SGI
does about Nichiren Shoshu.
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D: Well, understand that backing NST after they excommunicate EVERYONE who is
not backing THEM, while knowing they are hurting INNOCENT people's lives (on
purpose), then saying they aren't hurting anyone, is not exactly hate, its
deceitful AND hateful, not JUST hateful.

~~~~~
Cody: I was just talking about the SGI in Argentina
with some Argentine Hokkeko members, and it seems one of the Ikeda SS men
through his dirty political contacts with Menem managed, through lies, to
get one of our priests kicked out of the county.
~~~~~

D: Out of the County? They have counties in Argentina? SS? SGI is not the
SS, it is just a religious organization. Are you afraid of them? And Cody,
are you sure they are lies? You change YOUR story all the time, what makes you
an authoritay when YOU lie? I seem to remember you hacked into a Nichiren Shu
member by typing in her password on YAHOO, does this mean you are DIRTY?

Dirty political contacts...Because they are associated with "Ikeda" or what?
Why do you assume they are dirty political contacts when NST has BENT the truth
100s of times, what about signing all the authorizations for SGIs supposedly
bad actions, they say were bad, why SIGN and hurt members they say they didn't
hurt?

Cody, frankly, I myself found NST to be hurtful to the members NOT SGI,
teaching them to be confused about this Buddhism's teachings by okaying other
Gohonzons, by letting members in NST harm whoever they want, by FORCING people
to believe THEIR WAY.

You might not agree, but I saw it there and I can read the Gosho WHEN IT SAYS
to follow the law and not Nikken or Cody.

Dont you think it is strange to allow an NST member to have a Nichiren Shu
Gohonzon? I certainly do. How about hacking a person's password, Cody?

How about protecting the priesthood NO MATTER WHAT? Which is in their new
Gohonzon ceremony. What about if they harm innocent people? Protect them
anway?

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Cody: Then there was the voodoo
Daimoku campaign both for the "destruction of Nichiren Shoshu" and to try
and prevent our High Priest from conducting a ceremony for the victims of
9/11.
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D: Voodoo campaign? Are we slandering Voodoo now, besides ousting and
slandering the SGI? What next Cody?
Cody, what do you know about Voodoo for real? Do you just find the movie
version of religion TRUTH and down EVERYONE IN IT, sight unseen with your
opinions or are your opinions compassionate, insightful and helpful?

Chanting for the destruction of NST Cody? How can SGI be responsible for
something NST has made the cause to hate, and then say SGI chants for NSTs
destruction when NST has hated "Ikeda" and the Gaks LONG BEFORE SGI was upset
about all the hurt and hate.

AS you well know Cody, either the Shoten Zenjin will protect NST or it will
not. Do you really think that WINNING is really winning if you hurt other
people? Is agreeing with and following the HP more important than following
Nichiren Daishonin?

Listen Cody, I would think that stopping the HP from conducting anymore
confusing ceremonies or lectures (including ZEN ceremonies) would be helpful
myself. Considering NSTs actions have created alot of, hurt, pain, and
confusion for 10,000,000 people, knowingly (by openly stating they know they
are hurting them and yet have to), then teaching them the wrong idea about
Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism (by allowing an NST member a Nichiren Shu
Gohonzon). You of course have the RIGHT to your own opinion Cody, in your own
world, but frankly that is exactly what it is Cody...Just your opinion in your
own world. It ISN'T the GOSHO.
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Cody: Can you name ONE OFFICIAL INCIDENT that Nichiren Shoshu has promoted
to hate SGI?

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ROFL...Why yes, my ousting, saying I would never receive Gohonzon after telling
me to give back my SGI Gohonzon to SGI OR ELSE, and come there and practice,
then telling me I PLAY BALL OR ELSE, telling me NOT TO BOTHER priests with my
????s, then calling me a slanderer, saying I ruined my original Gohonzon myself
(when I didn't), ON PURPOSE (which I never did). Plus the excommunication of
10,000,000 SGI members TWICE for starters, and the expulsion of President Ikeda
after all his hard work (and his belittlement), and allowing an NST member a
Nichiren Shu Gohonzon (despite her being a brand new member) in a Nichiren
Shoshu religion, is that enough for you?
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Cody: Can you? I don't think so, crazy lady.

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D: I just think I did, and your opinion of me is just that, your opinion, not
reality. It isn't me who is crazy, Cody. You might want to look at your own
actions towards even your own members IN YOUR RELIGION (not mine). Since we
don't belong to the same organization, Cody.

You openly state that we are women over 40, fat, old, whores, while you are
accessing passwords of people you have no business accessing...What is that?
COMPASSION? Normalcy?
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D: After frying Mercia over the flames (your own
Post by atheramari
member).
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Cody: Um, Mercia fries herself; she needs no help from me and she is not "my
member". She's nuts and it's too bad and I hope she gets help some day.

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D: It seems you have the problem with MOST women (especially over 40 who you
stole their passwords from) and ALSO NST members who don't AGREE with YOU (like
David or anyone like me FROM SGI). Although Mercia trusts NST because she sees
no evil, it doesn't mean its EVIL doesn't exist, as is your problem (blinders).

And...I notice that you don't get along with most women or NST members that
don't have the same ideas, why is that? You might want to work through why
your having problems with people that don't think like you. Not everyone
thinks like you. (Universe be praised)..
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Post by atheramari
Hate women do you?
D
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Not at all.

Cody
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D: Well, I noticed you had problems with me, Mercia, and the lady from SGI who
is over 40 and "fat" like we are (according to your posts, not in reality). We
all have one thing in common, we are NOT carbon copies of you (universe be
praised).

Is it the disagreement that bothers you, or is it your ego because we don't
think NST is IT (or in Mercia's case, entirely)? US being women over 40, is it
not living up to YOUR expectations of being white, male and wishing you were
under 40? Should we be the perfect NST member (like yourself...chuckle)?
Which is it? Or is it just one or all?

You might want to check out WHY we disagree with you, instead of just thinking
we should agree.

That might add to YOUR sanity. LOL

D
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
2004-02-17 16:23:56 UTC
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Post by atheramari
D: Well, understand that backing NST after they excommunicate EVERYONE who is
not backing THEM, while knowing they are hurting INNOCENT people's lives (on
purpose), then saying they aren't hurting anyone, is not exactly hate, its
deceitful AND hateful, not JUST hateful.
"Since the time of the former president, Mr. Makiguchi, ***the Gakkai
spirit has been to support _any_ High Priest,*** and the Gakkai will
keep this spirit ***forever.*** If anyone in this organization
complains about this, and goes against this Gakkai spirit, I'll be
ready to expel him from the organization even if he should be a top
leader. The lay believers' spirit and attitude toward the Head Temple
must be like this." 2nd President of the Soka Gakkai, Josei Toda,
January 29, 1956. Reference Toda Josei Zenshu, Vol. 3, p. 235.

"Any person who is not obedient to the High Priest, whatever the
reason may be, is no longer a Priest or lay member of Nichiren Shoshu.
This is because there is no error more fundamental than this."
Daisaku Ikeda, November 24, 1981, predicting his excommunication a
decade later

Derek Juhl
Mercia
2004-02-19 08:40:30 UTC
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LOL Derek. Funny, although equally tragically sad.

Mercia
Post by Derek N.P.F. Juhl
Post by atheramari
D: Well, understand that backing NST after they excommunicate EVERYONE who is
not backing THEM, while knowing they are hurting INNOCENT people's lives (on
purpose), then saying they aren't hurting anyone, is not exactly hate, its
deceitful AND hateful, not JUST hateful.
"Since the time of the former president, Mr. Makiguchi, ***the Gakkai
spirit has been to support _any_ High Priest,*** and the Gakkai will
keep this spirit ***forever.*** If anyone in this organization
complains about this, and goes against this Gakkai spirit, I'll be
ready to expel him from the organization even if he should be a top
leader. The lay believers' spirit and attitude toward the Head Temple
must be like this." 2nd President of the Soka Gakkai, Josei Toda,
January 29, 1956. Reference Toda Josei Zenshu, Vol. 3, p. 235.
"Any person who is not obedient to the High Priest, whatever the
reason may be, is no longer a Priest or lay member of Nichiren Shoshu.
This is because there is no error more fundamental than this."
Daisaku Ikeda, November 24, 1981, predicting his excommunication a
decade later
Derek Juhl
Norm De Plume
2004-02-20 07:20:15 UTC
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On 17 Feb 2004 08:23:56 -0800, ***@netscape.net (Derek N.P.F. Juhl) wrote:

:***@aol.comnospam (atheramari) wrote in message news:<***@mb-m27.aol.com>...
:
:> D: Well, understand that backing NST after they excommunicate EVERYONE who is
:> not backing THEM, while knowing they are hurting INNOCENT people's lives (on
:> purpose), then saying they aren't hurting anyone, is not exactly hate, its
:> deceitful AND hateful, not JUST hateful.



Like Marc, Denise is in my KF so I only see her comments when other people reply
to them.

jeez denise!

The organization was excommunicated when it stopped fulfilling the purpose of
its creation - the purpose of its founders

The members were excommunicated when they started practicing a different
religion

It's as simple as this:

If you hate NS so much and practice a different religion, why bitch about being
excommunicated?

atheramari
2004-02-16 02:24:49 UTC
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Just one of many dismal experiences from the Ikeda cult.
Every week the World Tribune prints experiences of the
followers misfortunes, portraying them as some kind of
weird benefit. Make me wonder where the shoten zenjin
have run off to...


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Actually my first reaction is to ask NST what experiences do NST members ever
have at all because they never give experiences, BUT there was one SINCE I
ASKED NST to give me a POSITIVE experience OVER THE ARBN last year I think it
was.

It was a male member of NST not burning down his house because HE put a towel
over a hot lamp in the first place and then noticed IT BURNING...talk about
STRANGE experiences.

You guys are out there, you dislike women and don't have any business bothering
SGI members because NST cannot AT ALL take care of members like SGI has in the
past. So, give me a break!!!

D
atheramari
2004-02-16 02:25:58 UTC
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One more thing Akira, VICTORY is spelled V-I-C-T-O-R-Y, don't your priests
teach you any spelling over there?

D
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