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Ikeda & Trump: Dangerous megalomaniacs !
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Katie Higgins
2016-11-13 23:06:33 UTC
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A recap of America's Presidential Election calls into stark relief the uncanny appeal of narcissists-. Here is a summary of the similarities between "The BODY (Ikeda) and The SHADOW (Trump)-- for those who have faith in Myoho-renge-kyo and who read and study Nichiren's teachings directly.

WARNING about Trump before he secured Republican nomination: The "Most Writer" of Trump's bestseller, "The Art of The Deal", tony Schwartz:

In a New Yorker piece, Schwartz described a man unable to focus for any period of time and driven by a compulsive need for more money and more attention, to the point of reckless behavior.

If he were writing the book today, he said, it would be called The Sociopath.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wealth-myth_us_57b09a63e4b007c36e4f1bff


"“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Schwartz told the New Yorker. “

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/art-of-the-deal-trump_us_578ce629e4b0a0ae97c2aa9b


How many *warning signs* have been ignored regarding Daiskau Ikeda's narcissism?

"Polly Toynbee (who seems to lack any basic sympathy for things Japanese) said of Ikeda in a 1995 BBC broadcast (quoted here): “I think it would be hard to imagine a less spiritual man. […] A powerful megalomania; we got this aura of power from him that was extremely alarming. We then went, on another day with him, to some huge Nuremberg-style rally in a stadium, where everything was to the greater worship of him.” Arnold Toynbee, on the other hand, respected Ikeda and is almost deferential to him.”

https://davidderrick.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/soka-gakkai-and-polly-toynbee/


"He is also known as an arrogant and mean-spirited man who taunts Gakkai executives at meetings. Yet his combination of religious aura and political clout has proved devastatingly successful.”

https://culteducation.com/group/940-soka-gakkai/7670-daisaku-ikeda-statesman-billionaire-god-.html


"Ikeda's natural instinct for power (manifested from the Id) became uncontrollable long, long ago, and is thoroughly documented in the pages of this sub and on dozens and dozens of websites all around the net.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/2n4tgw/did_ikedas_hidden_powerlust_give_birth_to_his/


"This is the problem all dictators and 1%ers face. The richer and more powerful you become, the more people seek to take advantage of you, to use you for their own benefit. And for a dictator like Ikeda, those closest to him are going to be scheming to take over, exactly the same way Ikeda did when he was close to Toda. Ikeda even locked himself in Toda's room as Toda lay dying, so no one else could get in or observe. And he didn't open the door until Toda was good and dead. Did Ikeda speed up the process? Toda was a raging alcoholic who smoked like a chimney. He was clearly in bad shape already, no matter how you sliced it, and he'd been sick for a while. Did Ikeda get tired of waiting for nature to run its course?”

https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/3b1cgj/ikeda_has_no_friends/

Will Ikeda's ghost writers come forward in the same spirit of caring about *the people* that was shown by Tony Schwartz?


While over half of Americans are organizing their political strategies for preventing Pres. Elect Donald Trump from enacting his campaign promises around immigration, censoring the press and radically changing out foreign and global trade policies, I think there is an even more relevant task at hand for practitioners of Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism-- to rid our country of this ONE evil, SGIkeda-USA.


Namu-Myoho-Renge-Kyo

Best~
~Katie
Chas.
2016-11-14 06:09:55 UTC
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Readers will note that Mark Rogow, Shinkei and Katie smear along with what the KGB used to call the "useful idiot" Iain, while I quote the many history books to make my case against the un-indicted war criminals of Nichiren Shu, initiators and co-perpetrators of the Asian Holocaust against the peoples of the Pacific Rim and especially the Chinese people of Nanking.

These war criminals have never been brought to justice.

It is high time that they are hauled into court, because there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.

Justice for the victims of the Rape of Nanking and elsewhere, and prosecution of the war criminals of Nichiren Shu, whose radical militaristic followers and chaplains misled the Japanese people and the royalty into this abomination!

Their distortions of Nichiren Buddhism into Shinto statue worship is the cause, and that distortion continues to be perpetuated by Mark Rogow and Katie Higgins and their "useful idiot", Iain.

Their attacks on the SGI are merely a cover for their perpetual guilt over their complicity in war crimes while the founders of the SGI were cornered by Imperial Way Buddhism and their Shinto Talisman supporting the Pacifc War of Imperial State Zen. Mr. Makiguchi and Mr. Toda were ultimately imprisoned in Tokyo until Mr. Makiguchi's death and Mr. Toda's release at the end of the War, while the forces unleashed by Nichiren Shu (and with the complicity of the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood) ran rampant over China and the Pacific Rim.

here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

and here:

http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/Cross-section_JapWarCrimes.html

The Rape of Nanking (1937), also known as the Nanjing Massacre

The Bangka Island Massacre (1942): Slaughter of Australian Army Nurses

The Bataan Death March (1942)

The Sandakan Death March (1945)

Murder and cannibalism on the Kokoda Track (1942)

Conscripting women for sexual slavery in Japanese Army brothels (1937-1945)

Mutilation and murder of Dutch civilians in Borneo

Murder and cannibalism - captured American pilots

-Chas
Katie Higgins
2016-11-14 07:12:06 UTC
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TOPIC- back to the top 😊
Chas.
2016-11-15 04:19:46 UTC
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What motivates Katie Higgins, Mark Rogow (Buku) and what the KGB calls their "useful idiot", Iain, to go on like this (aside from their inner demons cultivated by slandering the Law through chanting to statues and images), what causes them to attack the SGI so vigorously? They are connected to Nichiren Shu and Kempon Hokke and other temples and these temples are un-indicted co-conspirators in war crimes.

It's not just that their Nichiren Shu youth militia groups were the incendiary driving force behind the inner officer corps of the Imperial Japanese forces that pushed for expansion into the Asian Pacific War.

It's not just that their Nichiren Shu chaplains were on the front lines with those ravenous militias as they committed war crimes around the Asia Pacific, cheering them on and correcting their style of Zen beheading of innocents, and using bound captives for bayonet and other kinds of practice.

It's that at the very beginning, Nichiren Shu priests created the premise for invasion of China, they were the match that lit the conflagration.

They will deny the truth in their usual incendiary manner, but the two posts below quote many history books and you cannot deny the condemnation of history.

From: "Nichiren Shu (with Kempon Hokke Myomanji Sect) and the Asian Holocaust #1"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.zen/pfHcnbnjHus/B_RYwmkbCgAJ

and from "Nichiren Shu (with Kempon Hokke Myomanji Sect) and the Asian Holocaust #2"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.zen/QgGf39rK6jU/39hhlHcbCgAJ

So the answer to why they attack the SGI?

It's to cover up with flak the fact that Mr. Makiguchi died in prison, while Mr Toda spent the War in prison to be released at the end, for standing up the the imperial Way Buddhism and Imperial State Zen government perpetrating the Pacific War and its countless atrocities, which Nichiren Shu initiated, promulgated and rode the four horses of the Apocalypse straight through.

They can do no other than what they are doing to save the shreds of face that they still possess. That's why.

-Chas.
Katie Higgins
2016-11-16 10:57:51 UTC
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I think it's s good idea to compare notes - what is " said and written" about Ikeda & Trump-/ both are masters at " self promotion" and exploiting people who are suffering --

Those with pure faith in Nichiren's teachings readily discern IKEDA is far more dangerous - as the " Body" of wide spread propagation of slanderous teachings , casting the "Shadow" of gloom that spans the globe ‼️

Beware --

And,
Be well 😊 Informed ~
~Katie
Chas.
2016-11-17 04:17:48 UTC
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Why statues are not to be chanted to -
Since SGI is wrong about the identity and nature of the Eternal Buddha why would you believe it is correct about anything else?
The entire thrust of the Rissho Ankoku Ron is that the Treasure of the Buddha is Shakyamuni and the Treasure of the Law is Myoho renge kyo (Lotus Sutra).
Make a quote, please.

Taking just the first few horrible translations of the Gosho that you quote to "prove" your fictitious points...
Nichiren says in "Reply to Lady Nichinyo": "I for the first time reveal, as a banner of the spread of the Hokkekyo the Great Mandala which even Nagarjuna, Vasubandhu, and so on, and Tendai, Myoraku, and so on did not reveal. This is not at all something which I, Nichiren made myself. It is the Object of Worship which is from the print block of the Great Muni, the World Honored One within the Stupa of Taho and the Separate-Body Buddhas."
Clearly, the Daishonin inscribed the Gohonzon as taught to him by the Great Muni.
Your text is a profound forgery and utter uglification of the true text of the Gosho, written to Nichinyo.

From "The Real Aspect of the Gohonzon", WND I, pp. 831-832:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/101#para-1

. How wondrous it is that, around two hundred years and more
. into the Latter Day of the Law, I was the first to reveal
. as the banner of propagation of the Lotus Sutra this great
. mandala that even those such as Nāgārjuna and Vasubandhu,
. T’ien-t’ai and Miao-lo were unable to express. This mandala
. is in no way my invention. It is the object of devotion
. that depicts Shakyamuni Buddha, the World-Honored One,
. seated in the treasure tower of Many Treasures Buddha, and
. the Buddhas who were Shakyamuni’s emanations as perfectly
. as a print matches its woodblock. Thus the five characters
. of the Lotus Sutra’s title are suspended in the center,
. while the four heavenly kings are seated at the four
. corners of the treasure tower. Shakyamuni, Many Treasures,
. and the four leaders of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth are
. side by side at the top. Seated below them are the
. bodhisattvas, including Universal Worthy and Manjushrī, and
. the voice-hearers, including Shāriputra and Maudgalyāyana.
. [Beside them are] the gods of the sun and moon, the devil
. king of the sixth heaven, the dragon king, and an asura. In
. addition, the wisdom kings Immovable and Craving-Filled
. take up their stations to the south and north. The evil and
. treacherous Devadatta and the ignorant dragon king’s
. daughter form a group. Not only the Mother of Demon
. Children and the ten demon daughters, who are evil demons
. that sap the lives of people throughout the major world
. system, but also the Sun Goddess, Great Bodhisattva
. Hachiman, and the seven reigns of the heavenly gods and
. five reigns of the earthly gods, who are the guardian
. deities of Japan—all the various great and small gods, that
. is, the main gods, are ranged in rows. How then could the
. remaining subordinate gods be left out? The “Treasure
. Tower” chapter states, “[Shakyamuni Buddha used his
. transcendental powers to] lift all the members of the great
. assembly up into the air.”
.
. Without exception, all these Buddhas, bodhisattvas, great
. sages, and, in general, all the various beings of the two
. worlds and the eight groups who appear in the
. “Introduction” chapter of the Lotus Sutra dwell in this
. Gohonzon. Illuminated by the light of the five characters
. of the Mystic Law, they display the dignified attributes
. that they inherently possess. This is the object of devotion.
.
. This is what is meant when the sutra says “the true aspect
. of all phenomena.” Miao-lo stated: “The true aspect
. invariably manifests in all phenomena, and all phenomena
. invariably manifest in the ten factors. The ten factors
. invariably manifest in the Ten Worlds, and the Ten Worlds
. invariably manifest in life and its environment.” It is
. also stated that the profound principle of the true aspect
. is the originally inherent Myoho-renge-kyo. The Great
. Teacher Dengyō said, “A single moment of life comprising
. the three thousand realms is itself the Buddha of limitless
. joy; this Buddha has forsaken august appearances.”
. Therefore, this Gohonzon shall be called the great mandala
. never before known; it did not appear until more than 2,220
. years after the Buddha’s passing.

Your priests have corrupted this beautiful description and will suffer the ages in Avichi hel for it, and now you, too, for climbing on the bandwagon with them. They wanted to worship Shakyamuni as a god, because they think so little of themselves. They wanted to worship stupas, like the Hinayana believers of the Pali canon. This was the original error that led to statue worship, abandoning the teachings and taking up with images of men as your object of worship.
"Thus it was revealed that Shakyamuni had long been the Buddha since the eternal past, and it became clear that various Buddhas in other worlds were all manifestations of Shakyamuni Buddha..[ ] now, however, as Shakyamuni was proved to be the Eternal Buddha, those Buddhas in the Flower Garland Sutra, or Buddhas in the Hodo, Hannya, or Great Sun Buddha sutras all became subordinates of Shakyamuni Buddha." (Kaimoku Sho, p. 174, translated by Kyotsu Hori, 1987)
"When Shakyamuni Buddha revealed that he had gained enlightenment in the far distant past and had since then been constantly in the world, it became apparent that all the other Buddhas were emanations of Shakyamuni....but now it became apparent that Vairocana Buddha of the Kegon Sutra and various Buddhas of the Hodo, Hannya and Dainichi sutras are in fact all followers of Shakyamuni Buddha." (MW V.2, p.149)
Here is the actual quote from "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 256:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-187

. When Shakyamuni Buddha revealed that he had gained
. enlightenment in the far distant past, it became apparent
. that all the other Buddhas were emanations of Shakyamuni.
. When the Buddha preached the earlier sutras and the first
. half, or theoretical teaching, of the Lotus Sutra, the
. other Buddhas were pictured as standing on an equal footing
. with Shakyamuni, after completing their respective
. practices and disciplines. Therefore, the people who take
. one or another of these Buddhas as their object of devotion
. customarily look down on Shakyamuni Buddha. But now it
. becomes apparent that Vairochana Buddha, who is described
. in the Flower Garland Sutra as being seated on a lotus
. pedestal, and the various Buddhas who appear in the sutras
. of the Correct and Equal and the Wisdom periods, such as
. the Mahāvairochana Sutra, are all in fact followers of
. Shakyamuni Buddha.

There is simply no end to the distortions you can vomit forth, perjured for you evil purpose: to support your Hindu/Shinto practice of worshiping Shakyamuni as a god, which he would himself decry. Shakyamuni was added to the Hindu pantheon of gods to the end of enfolding and crushing the life out of the corrupted practice of Buddhism after it had passed into the East.

Your Middle Day of the Law practice of worshiping statues is NOT for the era Nichiren Daishonin, it is the hollow and ghostly practice of the dead. The practice of the Latter Day of the Law is to chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to the Gohonzon, not the image of any person, Shakyamuni or Nichiren Daishonin.

As I made clear earlier from this passage of the "Immeasurable Meanings Sutra", pp. 12-13, which is preached during the first chapter of the Lotus Sutra and is concurrent with it and not previous to the Lotus Sutra, and which is in no way provisional or to be discarded in any way. In fact the Lotus Sutra and the Gosho reference the true aspect, and without this definition, THEY WOULD BE INCOMPLETE!

Here's the quote that destroys all your statue worshiping, I have highlighted the key phrase so that you cannot miss it (although I fear your mind cannot read it):

. “When bodhisattvas have in this manner observed the
. beginning and end of these four aspects and have understood
. them in their entirety, then they will clearly perceive
. that all phenomena, never abiding from one instant to
. the next, are constantly being born anew and passing into
. extinction, and then they will immediately perceive the
. true aspect of birth, abiding, change, and extinction.
.
. “Once they have gained this perception, then they must turn
. to the capacities, natures, and desires of living beings.
. Because such natures and desires are immeasurable in
. variety, the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable;
. and because the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable,
. its meanings are likewise immeasurable. THESE IMMEASURABLE
. MEANINGS ARE BORN FROM A SINGLE LAW, AND THIS LAW IS
. WITHOUT ASPECT. WHAT IS WITHOUT ASPECT IS DEVOID OF ASPECT
. AND DOES NOT TAKE ON ASPECT. NOT TAKING ON ASPECT, BEING
. WITHOUT ASPECT, IT IS CALLED THE TRUE ASPECT.
.
. “When bodhisattvas mahasattva rest and abide in this
. understanding of the true aspect of all phenomena, then the
. pity and compassion that they put forth will be based on
. clear understanding and not groundless, and they will be
. truly capable of rescuing living beings from the sufferings
. that they undergo. And once they have rescued them from
. suffering, they will preach the Law for them and enable
. living beings to enjoy ease and delight.

Santai or the Three Truths can only be found in the Lotus Sutra, this is one of the glories of the Lotus Sutra. "The truth of non-substantiality, the truth of temporary existence, and the truth of the Middle Way." from the SGI Dictionary:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/T/183

The images of human beings are the images of their Temporary Existence alone, their impermanence.

I am impermanent and will vanish from the world, this is my destiny from birth: to be born is to die, that is the guarantee of the four sufferings. Birth, aging, sickness and death.

And yet, like an electron that has a particle and a wave function, I am also Non-Substantial and that was true before my birth, during my aging, sickness and after my death. In fact I am dying now, cells that were crucial to my function ar born and then die all the time. I am also like a wave.

In all those phases of my life I am in the Middle Way, the unification of the Three Truths.

Images of living beings are images of impermanence alone, and like "the Tripitaka teaching and the connecting teaching do not reveal the truth of the Middle Way and therefore lack the three truths," (from the definition of Santai) ... they do not possess the "true aspect."

The highest object of worship, the Gohonzon possesses the "true aspect" in the fact that it is an arrangement of characters and does not look like you or me or anyone you know. This is how it can reflect ALL THE LIVING BEINGS, not just here, but everywhere that life has or will develop in the ten directions and the three existences of past, present and future.

All living being possess the true aspect and they are all Buddhas, like the characters of an enormous version of the Lotus Sutra. However, not even the images of the Lord of Teachings, Shakyamuni or the Lord of Practice, Nichiren Daishonin reflect anything other than impermanence.

Only the Gohonzon reflects the true aspect. It is the highest object of worship and all others are pitiful in their aspect, by comparison: why would anyone chant the daimoku, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to any other object of worship?

How dishonorable!

-Chas.
Katie Higgins
2016-11-17 07:07:40 UTC
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Post by Katie Higgins
I think it's s good idea to compare notes - what is " said and written" about Ikeda & Trump-/ both are masters at " self promotion" and exploiting people who are suffering --
Those with pure faith in Nichiren's teachings readily discern IKEDA is far more dangerous - as the " Body" of wide spread propagation of slanderous teachings , casting the "Shadow" of gloom that spans the globe ‼️
Beware --
And,
Be well 😊 Informed ~
~Katie
Secrecy regarding financial dealings, investments and the means for securing the secrecy-- shared by SGIkeda and Donald Trump. A knack for getting *volunteers* to promote you is also a common trait shared by SGI and Trump--

Look closely at the socio-path who hopefully will not ever be sworn in as our president and the totally fabricated PR that SGi puts out about the *greatness* of their mentor, Ikeda. The likenesses are truly stunning...

~Katie
Chas.
2016-11-18 05:12:00 UTC
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The most perverse sect at the time of Nichiren was Tendai [Mikkyo] which mixed Lotus Sutra Buddhism and Shingon. Today, we have a similar problem but NST and SGI ...
[snip]

You are projecting. It is you and your Shinto-ized version of Hinduistic statue-worshiping distortion of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism that is clearly a corruption. Nichiren Daishonin declared the Gohonzon as the supreme object of worship throughout Jambudvipa, not your pictures and statues. They do not possess the true aspect.

From "The True Aspect of All Phenomena", WND I, p. 383-385:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-3

... NO ONE BUT NICHIREN has ever revealed teachings like these.
... Though T’ien-t’ai, Miao-lo, and Dengyō knew about them in
... their hearts, they never put them into words. They went
... about their lives keeping this knowledge to themselves. And
... there was good reason for this. The Buddha had not
... entrusted them with the task, the time had not yet come,
... and they had not been the Buddha’s disciples from the
... distant past. Only Superior Practices, Boundless Practices,
... and the other foremost leaders and guiding teachers among
... the Bodhisattvas of the Earth cannot only appear during the
... first five hundred years of the Latter Day of the Law and
... spread the five characters of Myoho-renge-kyo, the essence
... of all phenomena, BUT ALSO GIVE CONCRETE FORM TO THE
... CEREMONY OF THE TWO BUDDHAS SEATED SIDE BY SIDE IN THE
... TREASURE TOWER. The reason is that what they are to spread
... and give concrete form to is none other than the teaching
... of the actual three thousand realms in a single moment of
... life in the “Life Span” chapter of the essential teaching.
...

1. "No one but Nichiren" has revealed these teachings, not even Shakyamuni, Lord of Teachings, who is negatively included with all others in the phrase "no one".

It was no one else's mission, but Nichiren Daishonin to reveal the highest truth hidden at the heart of the Lotus Sutra. Nichiren Daishonin explains this in various other places as due to the time, however, it is also due to who Nichiren Daishonin is.

Nichiren Daishonin is the man for that moment, who turns that wheel that makes the new era of the Latter Day of the Law or Mappo, by revealing the truth that no one else can reveal.

This is the man Iain calls a "latter commentator", and who I call Daishonin or True Buddha. Nichiren Daishonin is the revealer, not the commentator, oddly, that role is left to Shakyamuni who predicted Nichiren Daishonin's revelation of the heart of the Lotus Sutra: the heart of the highest teaching.

The heart of the highest teaching that he reveals is not indicated directly in any quote in the Lotus Sutra, such that you can actually logically prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what Nichiren Daishonin reveals is the truth.

The truth of the Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra, as in all far lesser religious truths, is not logically deduced or induced, but is based on faith alone: however, in both the Western and Eastern worlds, Reason includes both Logic AND Faith.

Hence, faith-based logic is reasonable, unless you are without faith, then that logic is not reasonable and makes no sense whatsoever.

Faith in this case implies practice, you have to chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to come to believe in it and experience the result to gain faith.

2. However, before you can have faith in the power of the daimoku, you had to have faith in Nichiren Daishonin, who reveals that highest truth, you would have to have faith in the mentor, that he is revealing to you, the disciple, the absolute truth and nothing else. Otherwise, your practice of the Lotus Sutra would be Tendai, and simple recitation of its chapters to your statues.

Not having faith in Nichiren Daishonin, since you had never heard of him, you had to have faith in the mentor that introduced you, or taught you to chant, or led the first district meeting you went to, or ... whoever the bodhisattva was: that person had faith in the daimoku, the Gohonzon and hence, that Nichiren Daishonin was in fact, completely right! The disciple first receives faith in the veracity of Nichiren Daishonin (or an echo of it) from their mentor.

3. "Only Superior Practices, Boundless Practices, and the other foremost leaders and guiding teachers among the Bodhisattvas of the Earth ..." "... also give concrete form to the ceremony of the two Buddhas seated side by side in the treasure tower." That concrete form is the Gohonzon, the highest object of worship.

Shakyamuni not only cannot reveal the highest teaching ... also, he cannot enscribe the Gohonzon.

Why? Because it is not his mission given by the eternal Buddha. That was given to the very first of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth, Nichiren Daishonin, as the embodiment of Superior Practices, or Jogyo.

This means you either trust what Nichiren Daishonin says and choose the Gohonzon as your highest object of worship to chant the daimoku to, or distrust Nichiren Daishonin and chant the daimoku to your statues. You will however, have to choose which path to take, with hell to pay upon your mistaken choice.

... THEREFORE, THE TWO BUDDHAS, SHAKYAMUNI AND MANY TREASURES,
... ARE BUDDHAS WHO ARE FUNCTIONS [OF MYOHO-RENGE-KYO]. IT IS
... MYOHO-RENGE-KYO THAT IS THE TRUE BUDDHA. This is what is
... described in the sutra as “the Thus Come One’s secret and
... his transcendental powers.” THE “THUS COME ONE’S SECRET”
... REFERS TO THE ENTITY OF THE BUDDHA’S THREE BODIES, AND IT
... REFERS TO THE TRUE BUDDHA. “His transcendental powers”
... refers to the functions of the three bodies, and it refers
... to provisional Buddhas. A COMMON MORTAL IS AN ENTITY OF THE
... THREE BODIES, AND A TRUE BUDDHA. A Buddha is a function of
... the three bodies, and a provisional Buddha. In that case,
... though it is thought that Shakyamuni Buddha possesses the
... three virtues of sovereign, teacher, and parent for the
... sake of all of us living beings, that is not so. ON THE
... CONTRARY, IT IS COMMON MORTALS WHO ENDOW HIM WITH THE THREE
... VIRTUES.
...

4. "Therefore, the two Buddhas, Shakyamuni and Many Treasures, are Buddhas who are functions [of Myoho-renge-kyo]. It is Myoho-renge-kyo that is the true Buddha."

Shakyamuni (and Taho) are functions of the eternal Buddha, Myoho-Renge-Kyo, which we invoke in the daimoku.

Is that crystal clear? If you chant the daimoku, you have to have faith that Nichiren Daishonin is correct, otherwise Myoho-Renge-Kyo would not be the eternal Buddha: and if you accept that, then Shakyamuni would not be a function of Myoho-Renge-Kyo.

You cannot have it both ways, you must give up the supremacy of Shakyamuni and stop chanting to images of him, since you cannot chant the highest teaching hidden in the Lotus Sutra that was revealed by Nichiren Daishonin unless you agree with him on this completely central point. Stop chanting to functions, and chant to the Gohonzon.

5. These three phrases (a through c, below) refer to the common mortal, or true Buddha, which Nichiren Daishonin is, and also you and I as well as every common mortal. Common mortals in the Mappo era, after Nichiren Daishonin revealed the truth, are also Bodhisattvas of the Earth, according to Josei Toda.

Here's the proof of Nichiren Daishonin's point.

a. '“Thus Come One’s secret” refers to the entity of the Buddha’s three bodies, and it refers to the true Buddha.'

b. "A common mortal is an entity of the three bodies, and a true Buddha."


c. "On the contrary, it is common mortals who endow him [Shakyamuni] with the three virtues."

6. These two phrases (d and e) refer to provisional Buddhas like Shakyamuni, who are functions of the three bodies of the true Buddha.

d. '“His transcendental powers” refers to the functions of the three bodies, and it refers to provisional Buddhas.'

e. 'A Buddha is a function of the three bodies, and a provisional Buddha. In that case, though it is thought that Shakyamuni Buddha possesses the three virtues of sovereign, teacher, and parent for the sake of all of us living beings, that is not so.'

... The “Thus Come One” is explained clearly in T’ien-t’ai’s
... commentary as follows: “The Thus Come One is a general
... designation for the Buddhas of the ten directions and the
... three existences, for the two Buddhas, the three Buddhas,
... the true Buddha, and provisional Buddhas.” THE “TRUE
... BUDDHA” HERE MEANS COMMON MORTALS, WHEREAS “PROVISIONAL
... BUDDHAS” MEANS BUDDHAS. However, because of the difference
... between ordinary people and Buddhas that stems from the
... disparity between delusion and enlightenment, ordinary
... people are unaware that they are endowed with both the
... entity and the functions of the three bodies.
...

'The “true Buddha” here means common mortals, whereas “provisional Buddhas” means Buddhas.'

That is another direct quote making this very point again. Clear and straightforward and unmistakable.

The common mortal is the true Buddha, whereas Shakyamuni and Many Treasures in all their eternal glory as inscribed on the Gohonzon, are functions of the entity that is any common mortal enveloped in his or her delusion.

That means that if a statue worshiper really wanted to enshrine a more proper image to chant to, it would be the picture of a drunk or a hooker on the street: better that, than just a FUNCTION of that true Buddha, that very human being.

This is why we don't chant to images, since images cannot have the true aspect, only the Gohonzon has the true aspect, which means without having aspect (from the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, without which the Lotus Sutra would lack the clear understanding of true aspect, and would therefore be less complete.)

... “All phenomena” in the sutra refers to the Ten Worlds, and
... the “true aspect,” to what they actually are. THE “TRUE
... ASPECT” IS ANOTHER NAME FOR MYOHO-RENGE-KYO; hence all
... phenomena are Myoho-renge-kyo. Hell’s displaying the form
... of hell is its true aspect. When hell changes into the
... realm of hungry spirits, that is no longer the true form of
... hell. A Buddha displays the form of a Buddha, and a common
... mortal, that of a common mortal. The entities of all
... phenomena are entities of Myoho-renge-kyo. That is the
... meaning of “the true aspect of all phenomena.” T’ien-t’ai
... states that the profound principle of the true aspect is
... the originally inherent Myoho-renge-kyo. This
... interpretation identifies the phrase “true aspect” with the
... theoretical teaching and “the originally inherent
... Myoho-renge-kyo” with the essential teaching. You should
... ponder this interpretation deep in your heart.
...

'The “true aspect” is another name for Myoho-renge-kyo; hence all phenomena are Myoho-renge-kyo.'

This is the fruit of the clear understanding of that description of true aspect.

If the true aspect was an image of Shakyamuni, then it could not be Myoho-Renge-Kyo, because Myoho-Renge-Kyo is without aspect, you cannot view it from any point and see an aspect.

Also, then all entities and phenomena could not be the true entity of Myoho-Renge-Kyo, without having the aspect of Shakyamuni, were Shakyamuni's image the true aspect.

All phenomena are the true aspect AND Myoho-Renge-Kyo, precisely because the true aspect means without having the aspect of any specific or particular entity.

This also, BTW explains that passage with all of the negations from the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Prologue/1#para-23

'his body neither existing nor not existing,
neither caused nor conditioned, neither self nor other,
neither square nor round, neither short nor long,
neither appearing nor disappearing, neither born nor extinguished,
neither created nor arising, neither acted nor made,
neither sitting nor lying down, neither walking nor standing,
neither moving nor turning, neither idle nor still,
neither advancing nor retreating, neither in safety nor danger,
neither right nor wrong, neither gaining nor losing,
neither that nor this, neither departing nor coming,
neither blue nor yellow, neither red nor white,
neither crimson nor purple nor any other sort of color'

This is all straightforward and clear from the reading of the supreme teaching and the Gosho.

... Although not worthy of the honor, I, Nichiren, was
... nevertheless the first to spread the Mystic Law entrusted
... to Bodhisattva Superior Practices for propagation in the
... Latter Day of the Law. I was also the first, though only
... Bodhisattva Superior Practices is so empowered, to inscribe
... [the object of devotion as] the embodiment of Shakyamuni
... Buddha from the remote past as revealed in the “Life Span”
... chapter of the essential teaching, of Many Treasures Buddha
... who appeared when the “Treasure Tower” chapter of the
... theoretical teaching was preached, and of the Bodhisattvas
... of the Earth who arrived with the “Emerging from the Earth”
... chapter. Though people may hate me, they cannot possibly
... alter the fact of my enlightenment.
...

Nichiren Daishonin enscribed all of those onto the Gohonzon. Not onto an image of Shakyamuni. Shakyamuni could not reveal the daimoku at the heart of the Lotus Sutra, not inscribe the Gohonzon, according to Nichiren Daishonin, who did both.

... Therefore, to have exiled me, Nichiren, to this remote
... island is, I believe, an offense that can never be
... expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas. A
... passage from the “Simile and Parable” chapter reads, “If I
... were to describe the punishments [that fall on persons who
... slander this sutra], I could exhaust a kalpa and never come
... to the end.” On the other hand, not even the wisdom of the
... Buddha can fathom the blessings that one will obtain by
... giving alms to Nichiren and by becoming his disciple and
... lay supporter. The sutra reads, “[The benefits he gains
... thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could
... never finish calculating their extent.”
...

Hence, slanderers, who deny the very intent of this sutra, which is its heart, commit"

"an offense that can never be expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas."

However, there is hope even for them, because:

'The sutra reads, “[The benefits he gains thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could never finish calculating their extent.”'

... Nichiren alone took the lead in carrying out the task of
... the Bodhisattvas of the Earth. He may even be one of them.
... If Nichiren is to be counted among the Bodhisattvas of the
... Earth, then so must his disciples and lay supporters. The
... sutra states: “If one [of these good men or good women in
... the time after I have passed into extinction] is able to
... secretly expound the Lotus Sutra to one person, even one
... phrase of it, then you should know that he or she is the
... envoy of the Thus Come One. He has been dispatched by the
... Thus Come One and carries out the Thus Come One’s work.”
... Who else but us can this possibly refer to?

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Let's look into "The Real Aspect of the Gohonzon", and see what Nichiren teaches us.
"This mandala is in no way my invention. It is the object of devotion that depicts Shakyamuni Buddha, the World Honored One, seated in the treasure tower of Many treasures Buddha, and the Buddhas who were Shakyamuni's emanations as perfectly as a print matches its print block."
Your argument is a non sequitor and is sign of your fallacious reasoning and mental corruption. I never claimed that Nichiren Daishonin invented the Gohonzon, which is a depiction of the ceremony in the air at the moment that the Law is passed from the mentor (Shakyamuni) to the disciples (Bodhisattvas of the Earth, chiefly Jogyo Superior Practices, who is Nichiren Daishonin).

Nichiren Daishonin is the common mortal, who is the true Buddha, as are you and myself. Shakyamuni is a function of our true Buddhahood, this is what Nichiren Daishonin says. Take it or leave it. If you leave it, you cannot believe in the daimoku, which Nichiren Daishonin revealed and that you have to take on faith. He sadi it, I didn't, why do you want to thwart what he says so clearly with all this flak? Just accept it.

According to the Ongi Kuden and thus Nichiren Daishonin, the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings: the Lotus Sutra in the Parable of the Phantom City chapter identifies the eternal Buddha (the Buddha of Limitless Joy, AKA the Buddha of Beginningless Time) as the grandfather of Shakyamuni, who as one of the sixteen princes, was the son of Great Universal Wisdom Excellence Thus Come One, son of "the grandfather".

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-1/7#para-15

... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: In
... this passage we learn about the Buddha of the original
... state [that is, the Buddha of limitless joy]. “Grandfather”
... is another name for the Dharma-realm. The first three of
... the ten factors listed in the “Expedient Means” chapter,
... the factors of appearance, nature, and entity, are referred
... to as “grandfather.” Outside of these three factors, there
... is no wheel-turning sage king.
...
... The word “wheel-turning” refers to the phases of birth,
... abiding, change, and extinction. The words “sage king”
... refer to the element of the mind. These three factors,
... appearance, nature, and entity, are the father and mother
... of all the Buddhas of the three existences of past,
... present, and future.
...
... Now, when Nichiren and his followers chant
... Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, they are acting as father and mother
... of the Buddhas of the three existences, as their
... grandfather, the wheel-turning sage king.

That passage refers to this one, the one and only reference to "the grandfather", where the son and father of Shakyamuni, Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, attains enlightenment when "the Law of the buddhas finally appeared before him" :

The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35

... “Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
... passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
... finally appeared before him and he attained supreme perfect
... p.157enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
... householder’s life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
... was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
... kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
... when they heard that their father had attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
... objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
... weeping, followed after them.
...
... “Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
... along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a hundred,
... thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects, all
... together surrounded the sons and followed them to the place
... of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the thus
... come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer alms,
... pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they arrived,
... they bowed before his feet, touching their heads to the
... ground.

Aside from that, who knows, I don't. As far as I can tell, the eternal Buddha has no person otherwise identified in the Lotus Sutra. Shakyamuni attained enlightenment after his father.

At any rate, who was first hardly matters, unless you want to worship a statue of the first enlightened one.

I am satisfied that the Buddha leading our regiment of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth is Nichiren Daishonin, AKA Jogyo Superior Practices. He is the mentor whose Gosho I have made my mentor. I practice as he says and only that way. I worship no person and images of no person.

I worship the Gohonzon of the True Aspect of all Phenomena, which, BTW is a topic none of you have touched on, although I have elucidated it fully for your edification.
"It is also stated that the profound principle of the true aspect is the originally inherent Myoho-renge-kyo.[Lotus sutra Chap.2] The Great Teacher Dengyo said, "A single moment of life comprising the three thousand realms is itself the Buddha of limitless joy. this Buddha has forsaken august appearances." [The Treatise on the Secret and Sacred Teachings]
Are you listening to yourself? The Buddha of Limitless Joy is without aspect, just as I quoted.

Not a statue of Shakyamuni. Get it?
Do you need page#'s-- not sure which text you have.
IF Nichiren were the Original Buddha, teacher of Shakyamuni, WHY wouldn't he claim credit for the SOURCE of the Gohonzon as "his own invention"?
OR REVEAL the identity you claim is is TRUE identity?
Didn't claim that. Putting words in my mouth is lying. Don't do that.

All common mortals are the true Buddha, led by Nichiren Daishonin. Nichiren Daishonin is the leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth, AKA Jogyo.
With your own presumptions,You, Chas are identifying Nichiren as a cunning, duplicitous teacher-- when it is your Sensei who has earned that title a million times over!!
This is a pile of crap and wierd supposition, avoid it Katie.
And that is the crux of the matter. You lost your true mind before you posted your first comment on this site---such is the fate of those who "follow evil teachers".
[snip the rest.]
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How fortunate that we can possess and chant to an *authentic* Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren's own hand...
These Gohonzon were received from the hands of an entire line of priests that betrayed Nichiren Daishonin and turned to Shinto-ized Hinduistic cult worship of images that Shakyamuni himself would have spurned, and ancient practices that were before Nichiren Daishonin turned the wheel to create the new era: of the Latter Day of the Law.

Receiving distortions of Nichiren's Buddhism and then Nichiren's stolen Gohonzon from evil priests worshiping in ancient and now-dead practices will incur instead a serious admonition from the Daishonin.

Cause and effect rules the world. You cannot steal Gohonzon and then expect benefit from distortions of the founder's practice.

-Chas.
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Here's a refresher for you, Chas-- Nichiren's description of the Eternal Buddha and his attitude towards him--
The passages are from "The Opening Of The Eyes"-
"But the Buddha, our great teacher, has advanced beyond even transmigration with change and advance, let alone transmigration with differences and limitations. He has wiped out even the very root of fundamental darkness, let lone the illusions of thought and desire that are as minor as branches and leaves."
"The Buddha, from the time of his enlightenment at the age of thirty until his passing at the age of eighty, expounded his sacred teachings for a period of fifty years. Each word, each phrase he spoke is true, not a sentence, not a verse is false. The words of the sages and worthy preserved in the scriptures and teachings of Confucianism and Brahmanism, as we have noted, are free of error, and the words match the spirit in which they were spoken. But how much more true is this in the case of the Buddha, who had spoken not a false word for countless kalpasI In comparison to the non-Buddhist scriptures and teachings, the doctrines that he expounded in a period of fifty or so years represent the great vehicle, the true words of the great man, Everything that he preached, from the dawn of his enlightenment until the evening that he entered into nirvana , is none other than the truth."
Interesting that you missed the next paragraphs and the meaning of this passage, which applies directly to you all.

It has to do with how the supreme teachings are attacked by “appropriating Buddhism” or “plagiarizing Buddhism”, by efforts to "twist what is lofty and force it into a mean context; they destroy what is exalted and drag it down among the base, striving to put the two on an equal level."

Here is the passage that describes what you and your traitorous priests do, by merging Hinduism and Shinto statue worshiping with Nichiren's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra ("The Opening of the Eyes (I)", WND I, pp. 223-225)
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-13

... However, when we examine the eighty thousand teachings of
... Buddhism expounded during a period of fifty or so years and
... recorded in scriptures, we find that they fall into various
... categories such as HINAYANA AND MAHAYANA, PROVISIONAL AND
... TRUE SUTRAS, EXOTERIC AND ESOTERIC TEACHINGS, DETAILED AND
... ROUGH DISCOURSES, TRUE WORDS AND FALSE WORDS, CORRECT AND
... INCORRECT VIEWS. BUT AMONG THESE, THE LOTUS SUTRA ALONE
... REPRESENTS THE CORRECT TEACHINGS OF SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, THE
... LORD OF TEACHINGS, THE TRUTHFUL WORDS OF THE BUDDHAS OF THE
... THREE EXISTENCES AND THE TEN DIRECTIONS. The World-Honored
... One of Great Enlightenment designated a specific period of
... the preceding forty years and more, and defined the various
... sutras preached during that period, numerous as the sands
... of the Ganges, as the sutras in which he had “not yet
... revealed the truth.” He designated the Lotus Sutra preached
... during the eight years as the sutra in which he “now must
... reveal the truth.” Thus Many Treasures Buddha came forth
... from beneath the earth to testify that “all that you have
... expounded [in the Lotus Sutra] is the truth,” and the
... Buddhas who are emanations of Shakyamuni gathered together
... and extended their long tongues up to the Brahmā heaven in
... testimony. These words are perfectly clear, perfectly
... understandable, brighter than the sun on a clear day, or
... like the full moon at midnight. Look up to them and believe
... them, and when you turn away, cherish them in your heart!
...
... The Lotus Sutra contains two important teachings. The
... Dharma Analysis Treasury, Establishment of Truth, Precepts,
... Dharma Characteristics, and Three Treatises schools have
... never heard even so much as the name of these teachings.
... THE FLOWER GARLAND AND TRUE WORD SCHOOLS, ON THE OTHER
... HAND, HAVE SURREPTITIOUSLY STOLEN THESE DOCTRINES AND MADE
... THEM THE HEART OF THEIR OWN TEACHINGS. The doctrine of
... three thousand realms in a single moment of life is found
... in only one place, hidden in the depths of the “Life Span”
... chapter of the essential teaching of the Lotus Sutra.
... Nāgārjuna and Vasubandhu were aware of it but did not bring
... it forth into the light. T’ien-t’ai Chih-che alone embraced
... it and kept it ever in mind.
...
... The doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of
... life begins with the concept of the mutual possession of
... the Ten Worlds. But the Dharma Characteristics and Three
... Treatises schools speak only of eight worlds and know
... nothing of the entirety of the Ten Worlds, much less of the
... concept of their mutual possession. The Dharma Analysis
... Treasury, Establishment of Truth, and Precepts schools
... derive their teachings from the Āgama sutras. They are
... aware only of the six worlds and know nothing of the other
... four worlds. They declare that in all the ten directions
... there is only one Buddha, and do not even preach that there
... is any other Buddha in any of the ten directions. OF THE
... PRINCIPLE THAT “ALL SENTIENT BEINGS ALIKE POSSESS THE
... BUDDHA NATURE,” THEY OF COURSE SAY NOTHING AT ALL. They
... refuse to acknowledge that even a single person possesses
... the Buddha nature. IN SPITE OF THIS, ONE WILL SOMETIMES
... HEAR MEMBERS OF THE PRECEPTS AND ESTABLISHMENT OF TRUTH
... SCHOOLS DECLARING THAT THERE ARE BUDDHAS IN THE TEN
... DIRECTIONS, OR THAT ALL LIVING BEINGS POSSESS THE BUDDHA
... NATURE. This is because the teachers of these schools who
... appeared after the passing away of the Buddha had stolen
... these Mahayana doctrines and incorporated them into the
... teachings of their own schools.
...

Buddhas in the ten directions. Do you know who they are? The world of living beings.

THEY ARE COMMON MORTALS, WHO ARE NONE OTHER THAN THE TRUE BUDDHA.

How could you possibly miss this point?

... To illustrate, in the period before the appearance of
... Buddhism, the proponents of the non-Buddhist teachings in
... India were not so bound up in their own views. But after
... the appearance of the Buddha, when they had listened to and
... observed the Buddhist teachings, they became aware of the
... shortcomings of their own doctrines. THEY THEN CONCEIVED
... THE CLEVER IDEA OF APPROPRIATING BUDDHIST TEACHINGS AND
... INCORPORATING THEM INTO THEIR OWN DOCTRINES, AND AS A
... RESULT THEY FELL INTO EVEN DEEPER ERROR THAN BEFORE. THESE
... ARE EXAMPLES OF THE ERRORS KNOWN AS “APPROPRIATING
... BUDDHISM” OR “PLAGIARIZING BUDDHISM.”
...

And this appropriation into Hinduism (the non-Buddhist schools of India), continues with the statue worshipers of Nichiren Shu, and now Nichiren Shoshu, since Alex is an active part of your Sangha.

... The same thing occurred in the case of non-Buddhist
... scriptures in China. Before Buddhism was brought to China,
... Confucianism and Taoism were rather naive and childish
... affairs. But in the Later Han, Buddhism was introduced to
... China and challenged the native doctrines. In time, as
... Buddhism became more popular, THERE WERE CERTAIN BUDDHIST
... PRIESTS WHO, BECAUSE THEY HAD BROKEN THE PRECEPTS, WERE
... FORCED TO RETURN TO SECULAR LIFE, OR WHO ELECTED TO JOIN
... FORCES WITH THE NATIVE CREEDS. THROUGH SUCH MEN, BUDDHIST
... DOCTRINES WERE STOLEN AND INCORPORATED INTO THE CONFUCIAN
... AND TAOIST TEACHINGS.
...

This is much like the Nichiren Shu and now, Nichiren Shoshu and Iain's Sangha.

... In volume five of Great Concentration and Insight we read:
... “These days there are many devilish monks who break the
... precepts and return to lay life. Fearing that they will be
... punished for their action, they then go over to the side of
... the Taoists. Hoping to gain fame and profit, they speak
... extravagantly of the merits of Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu,
... usurping Buddhist concepts and reading them into their
... erroneous scriptures. THEY TWIST WHAT IS LOFTY AND FORCE IT
... INTO A MEAN CONTEXT; THEY DESTROY WHAT IS EXALTED AND DRAG
... IT DOWN AMONG THE BASE, STRIVING TO PUT THE TWO ON AN EQUAL
... LEVEL.”

"They twist what is lofty and force it into a mean context; they destroy what is exalted and drag it down among the base, striving to put the two on an equal level."

That's what you guys are all about.
Do you notice, Chas--- how Nichiren upheld the Lotus Sutra? Do you notice that he doesn't call himself, "Buddha"?
Absolutely Nichiren Daishonin does, over and over.

He refers to himself as a "common mortal".

The term "Daishonin" or "true Buddha" means "common mortal." Shakyamuni is a provisional Buddha, or a function of the true Buddha, which is a common mortal.

That's why the Gohonzon works so perfectly for everyone. It raises the enlightened aspect of not only the provisional Buddha function of Shakyamuni, but all the other provisional Buddhas and other functions in your life, when you add the "pure and far-reaching voice" invoking the daimoku of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.

Do I need to include those passages again? I will until you can grasp their truth, which you repeatedly are missing.

[snip the rest.]

-Chas.
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On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 10:41:22 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:

Yo! Chas - maybe the reason Nichiren does not refer to himself or his staunch followers as "Buddha" is because they are not " Buddha"-

Maybe you have noticed that only in the disputed Gosho, "The True Aspect of All Phrnomena" and the proven forgery , the Ogni Kuden , will you find such nonsensical references re: common mortals are Budfhas -- yaddy yaddy ---

[snip]
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On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 12:50:26 AM UTC-7, ***@gmail.com wrote:

But Chas, this is exactly your behaviour which can be clearly seen by reveiwing your postings. The evidence for such is actual in relation to you (readers can chevk this for themselves by using the forum index):

"THEY TWIST WHAT IS LOFTY AND FORCE IT
... INTO A MEAN CONTEXT; THEY DESTROY WHAT IS EXALTED AND DRAG
... IT DOWN AMONG THE BASE, STRIVING TO PUT THE TWO ON AN EQUAL
... LEVEL.”

[snip]
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On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:18:43 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:

iainx, I think you are pointing out a very fundamental aspect of the attitudes and beliefs that Chas exemplifies here; the same *ends* justifies the *means* attitude that produced forgeries, fake doctrines -- in the name of *widespread propagation*.

What is Chas actually propagating? if not; Make it easy, make it about materialism, make it into a *business* --- He has no more qualm about lying and manipulation than the originators of the transfer documents, the ogni kudon , the dai-no-honzon!! They all believed the *ends* justified the *means*--

[snip]
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On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:59:38 PM UTC-7, Chas. wrote:

How you congratulate and reinforce each other's different delusions! What a deadly embrace.

Katie (and Mark Rogow) discard the parts of Nichiren Daishonin's life work that they disagree with: those parts that point to the erroneous nature of their practice of worshiping Shakyamuni as a GOD.

Bowing down to images of another human being, they are like impoverished and starving children looking through the window outside of the supermarket, who will never get to eat the nutritious food inside, but will perpetually place all their devotion and desire on that food.

Little do they know there is food in their pockets already: as common mortals they have always been and will always be true Buddhas possessing the three bodies of the Buddha received from their parents, and entities of the Mystic Law, the Buddha of limitless joy.

Iain is worshiping the Law itself and has divorced that Law from the true Buddha, who is a common mortal. He is like a man in prison on a hunger strike, who has the keys to his cell in his pocket: as a common mortal he has always been and will always be the true Buddha of Beginningless Time and the Buddha of Absolute Freedom.

Although they appear to believe differently: Katie and Mark thinking the eternal Buddha is someone other than themselves who they must worship, and Iain thinking that the Buddha is the Law and no one he would follow in particular, they actually agree. They all think the Buddha is outside.

How tragic and pitiful.

-Chas.
t***@gmail.com
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A recap of America's Presidential Election calls into stark relief the uncanny appeal of narcissists-. Here is a summary of the similarities between "The BODY (Ikeda) and The SHADOW (Trump)-- for those who have faith in Myoho-renge-kyo and who read and study Nichiren's teachings directly.
In a New Yorker piece, Schwartz described a man unable to focus for any period of time and driven by a compulsive need for more money and more attention, to the point of reckless behavior.
If he were writing the book today, he said, it would be called The Sociopath.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wealth-myth_us_57b09a63e4b007c36e4f1bff
"“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Schwartz told the New Yorker. “
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/art-of-the-deal-trump_us_578ce629e4b0a0ae97c2aa9b
How many *warning signs* have been ignored regarding Daiskau Ikeda's narcissism?
"Polly Toynbee (who seems to lack any basic sympathy for things Japanese) said of Ikeda in a 1995 BBC broadcast (quoted here): “I think it would be hard to imagine a less spiritual man. […] A powerful megalomania; we got this aura of power from him that was extremely alarming. We then went, on another day with him, to some huge Nuremberg-style rally in a stadium, where everything was to the greater worship of him.” Arnold Toynbee, on the other hand, respected Ikeda and is almost deferential to him.”
https://davidderrick.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/soka-gakkai-and-polly-toynbee/
"He is also known as an arrogant and mean-spirited man who taunts Gakkai executives at meetings. Yet his combination of religious aura and political clout has proved devastatingly successful.”
https://culteducation.com/group/940-soka-gakkai/7670-daisaku-ikeda-statesman-billionaire-god-.html
"Ikeda's natural instinct for power (manifested from the Id) became uncontrollable long, long ago, and is thoroughly documented in the pages of this sub and on dozens and dozens of websites all around the net.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/2n4tgw/did_ikedas_hidden_powerlust_give_birth_to_his/
"This is the problem all dictators and 1%ers face. The richer and more powerful you become, the more people seek to take advantage of you, to use you for their own benefit. And for a dictator like Ikeda, those closest to him are going to be scheming to take over, exactly the same way Ikeda did when he was close to Toda. Ikeda even locked himself in Toda's room as Toda lay dying, so no one else could get in or observe. And he didn't open the door until Toda was good and dead. Did Ikeda speed up the process? Toda was a raging alcoholic who smoked like a chimney. He was clearly in bad shape already, no matter how you sliced it, and he'd been sick for a while. Did Ikeda get tired of waiting for nature to run its course?”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/3b1cgj/ikeda_has_no_friends/
Will Ikeda's ghost writers come forward in the same spirit of caring about *the people* that was shown by Tony Schwartz?
While over half of Americans are organizing their political strategies for preventing Pres. Elect Donald Trump from enacting his campaign promises around immigration, censoring the press and radically changing out foreign and global trade policies, I think there is an even more relevant task at hand for practitioners of Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism-- to rid our country of this ONE evil, SGIkeda-USA.
Namu-Myoho-Renge-Kyo
Best~
~Katie
nice post katie......the american people will learn the hard lesson that the german people learned the hard way. sgi/nst/shu provide no protection for themselves or their country....look at japan. our dear country is truly being punished.....time will tell. hitler promised the same things as trump.

also, i am sure by now you have come to realize that the sgi/nst/shu and what it produces cannot truly discuss the real teachings of what the eternal buddha and his emissary for the modern day taught. our leader, nichiren was able to create a powerful poison drum relationship for the blind people of the latter age, and we can do the same by speaking the truth and replying to the admonishment of the eternal buddha to uphold the lotus sutra as did nichiren inspire of how sick and stupid the people in the saha world are. good job. namu myoho renge kyo !!!!!

i encourage all to chant namu myoho renge kyo as chanted by nichiren and then study the legitimate gosho's, unfiltered by any outside bullshit. then and only then can one begin to understand. this is not just my opinion, but mirrors nichirens as well. cheers all !!!!!!
t***@gmail.com
2016-11-19 06:52:32 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by Katie Higgins
A recap of America's Presidential Election calls into stark relief the uncanny appeal of narcissists-. Here is a summary of the similarities between "The BODY (Ikeda) and The SHADOW (Trump)-- for those who have faith in Myoho-renge-kyo and who read and study Nichiren's teachings directly.
In a New Yorker piece, Schwartz described a man unable to focus for any period of time and driven by a compulsive need for more money and more attention, to the point of reckless behavior.
If he were writing the book today, he said, it would be called The Sociopath.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wealth-myth_us_57b09a63e4b007c36e4f1bff
"“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Schwartz told the New Yorker. “
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/art-of-the-deal-trump_us_578ce629e4b0a0ae97c2aa9b
How many *warning signs* have been ignored regarding Daiskau Ikeda's narcissism?
"Polly Toynbee (who seems to lack any basic sympathy for things Japanese) said of Ikeda in a 1995 BBC broadcast (quoted here): “I think it would be hard to imagine a less spiritual man. […] A powerful megalomania; we got this aura of power from him that was extremely alarming. We then went, on another day with him, to some huge Nuremberg-style rally in a stadium, where everything was to the greater worship of him.” Arnold Toynbee, on the other hand, respected Ikeda and is almost deferential to him.”
https://davidderrick.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/soka-gakkai-and-polly-toynbee/
"He is also known as an arrogant and mean-spirited man who taunts Gakkai executives at meetings. Yet his combination of religious aura and political clout has proved devastatingly successful.”
https://culteducation.com/group/940-soka-gakkai/7670-daisaku-ikeda-statesman-billionaire-god-.html
"Ikeda's natural instinct for power (manifested from the Id) became uncontrollable long, long ago, and is thoroughly documented in the pages of this sub and on dozens and dozens of websites all around the net.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/2n4tgw/did_ikedas_hidden_powerlust_give_birth_to_his/
"This is the problem all dictators and 1%ers face. The richer and more powerful you become, the more people seek to take advantage of you, to use you for their own benefit. And for a dictator like Ikeda, those closest to him are going to be scheming to take over, exactly the same way Ikeda did when he was close to Toda. Ikeda even locked himself in Toda's room as Toda lay dying, so no one else could get in or observe. And he didn't open the door until Toda was good and dead. Did Ikeda speed up the process? Toda was a raging alcoholic who smoked like a chimney. He was clearly in bad shape already, no matter how you sliced it, and he'd been sick for a while. Did Ikeda get tired of waiting for nature to run its course?”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/3b1cgj/ikeda_has_no_friends/
Will Ikeda's ghost writers come forward in the same spirit of caring about *the people* that was shown by Tony Schwartz?
While over half of Americans are organizing their political strategies for preventing Pres. Elect Donald Trump from enacting his campaign promises around immigration, censoring the press and radically changing out foreign and global trade policies, I think there is an even more relevant task at hand for practitioners of Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism-- to rid our country of this ONE evil, SGIkeda-USA.
Namu-Myoho-Renge-Kyo
Best~
~Katie
nice post katie......the american people will learn the hard lesson that the german people learned the hard way. sgi/nst/shu provide no protection for themselves or their country....look at japan. our dear country is truly being punished.....time will tell. hitler promised the same things as trump.
also, i am sure by now you have come to realize that the sgi/nst/shu and what it produces cannot truly discuss the real teachings of what the eternal buddha and his emissary for the modern day taught. our leader, nichiren was able to create a powerful poison drum relationship for the blind people of the latter age, and we can do the same by speaking the truth and replying to the admonishment of the eternal buddha to uphold the lotus sutra as did nichiren inspire of how sick and stupid the people in the saha world are. good job. namu myoho renge kyo !!!!!
i encourage all to chant namu myoho renge kyo as chanted by nichiren and then study the legitimate gosho's, unfiltered by any outside bullshit. then and only then can one begin to understand. this is not just my opinion, but mirrors nichirens as well. cheers all !!!!!!
Katie Higgins
2016-11-19 13:07:19 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by Katie Higgins
A recap of America's Presidential Election calls into stark relief the uncanny appeal of narcissists-. Here is a summary of the similarities between "The BODY (Ikeda) and The SHADOW (Trump)-- for those who have faith in Myoho-renge-kyo and who read and study Nichiren's teachings directly.
In a New Yorker piece, Schwartz described a man unable to focus for any period of time and driven by a compulsive need for more money and more attention, to the point of reckless behavior.
If he were writing the book today, he said, it would be called The Sociopath.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wealth-myth_us_57b09a63e4b007c36e4f1bff
"“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Schwartz told the New Yorker. “
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/art-of-the-deal-trump_us_578ce629e4b0a0ae97c2aa9b
How many *warning signs* have been ignored regarding Daiskau Ikeda's narcissism?
"Polly Toynbee (who seems to lack any basic sympathy for things Japanese) said of Ikeda in a 1995 BBC broadcast (quoted here): “I think it would be hard to imagine a less spiritual man. […] A powerful megalomania; we got this aura of power from him that was extremely alarming. We then went, on another day with him, to some huge Nuremberg-style rally in a stadium, where everything was to the greater worship of him.” Arnold Toynbee, on the other hand, respected Ikeda and is almost deferential to him.”
https://davidderrick.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/soka-gakkai-and-polly-toynbee/
"He is also known as an arrogant and mean-spirited man who taunts Gakkai executives at meetings. Yet his combination of religious aura and political clout has proved devastatingly successful.”
https://culteducation.com/group/940-soka-gakkai/7670-daisaku-ikeda-statesman-billionaire-god-.html
"Ikeda's natural instinct for power (manifested from the Id) became uncontrollable long, long ago, and is thoroughly documented in the pages of this sub and on dozens and dozens of websites all around the net.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/2n4tgw/did_ikedas_hidden_powerlust_give_birth_to_his/
"This is the problem all dictators and 1%ers face. The richer and more powerful you become, the more people seek to take advantage of you, to use you for their own benefit. And for a dictator like Ikeda, those closest to him are going to be scheming to take over, exactly the same way Ikeda did when he was close to Toda. Ikeda even locked himself in Toda's room as Toda lay dying, so no one else could get in or observe. And he didn't open the door until Toda was good and dead. Did Ikeda speed up the process? Toda was a raging alcoholic who smoked like a chimney. He was clearly in bad shape already, no matter how you sliced it, and he'd been sick for a while. Did Ikeda get tired of waiting for nature to run its course?”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/3b1cgj/ikeda_has_no_friends/
Will Ikeda's ghost writers come forward in the same spirit of caring about *the people* that was shown by Tony Schwartz?
While over half of Americans are organizing their political strategies for preventing Pres. Elect Donald Trump from enacting his campaign promises around immigration, censoring the press and radically changing out foreign and global trade policies, I think there is an even more relevant task at hand for practitioners of Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism-- to rid our country of this ONE evil, SGIkeda-USA.
Namu-Myoho-Renge-Kyo
Best~
~Katie
nice post katie......the american people will learn the hard lesson that the german people learned the hard way. sgi/nst/shu provide no protection for themselves or their country....look at japan. our dear country is truly being punished.....time will tell. hitler promised the same things as trump.
also, i am sure by now you have come to realize that the sgi/nst/shu and what it produces cannot truly discuss the real teachings of what the eternal buddha and his emissary for the modern day taught. our leader, nichiren was able to create a powerful poison drum relationship for the blind people of the latter age, and we can do the same by speaking the truth and replying to the admonishment of the eternal buddha to uphold the lotus sutra as did nichiren inspire of how sick and stupid the people in the saha world are. good job. namu myoho renge kyo !!!!!
i encourage all to chant namu myoho renge kyo as chanted by nichiren and then study the legitimate gosho's, unfiltered by any outside bullshit. then and only then can one begin to understand. this is not just my opinion, but mirrors nichirens as well. cheers all !!!!!!
Thanks @trubl. It occurred to me this year that the reason SGI/NST/Shu had diverged into a self centered self promoting - business model is that first and foremost they ALL discarded Shakyamuni Buddha and the Lotus Sutra! Notice how *they* cannot correctly perceive the very basis for Nichiren's teachings? That is no accident. The inevitable degradation of Shakyamuni and the Lotus Sutra by the leading *sects* of our time has resulted in the deplorable conditions of *developed* countries, as we are witnessing now.

I am introducing my grand children to Buddhism via reading together "The Threefold Lotus Sutra" I want to be sure that as they continue to chant Namu-myoho-renge-kyo and begin to read the Gosho they will know which Buddha and which teaching Nichiren called, Supreme !

I am appreciating how the message of our inherent potential for Buddhahood is received when the Buddha's own golden words convey this. Ages 10 years and 8 years, my grandchildren already know that Shakyamuni practiced the bodhisattva way and that the spirit of great compassion and love of all living beings was his inspiration. The great benefit Shakyamuni attained is what we can attain, is the message they are comprehending. They already see and experience the way caring for other living beings enhances and expands our own lives.

<<"i encourage all to chant namu myoho renge kyo as chanted by nichiren and then study the legitimate gosho's, unfiltered by any outside bullshit. then and only then can one begin to understand. this is not just my opinion, but mirrors nichirens as well. cheers all !!!!!! "<<

THIS. above ALL is the teaching for attaining enlightenment in our age of political pollution !

Cheers ! :-)

~Katie
Katie Higgins
2016-11-19 13:58:34 UTC
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Post by Katie Higgins
A recap of America's Presidential Election calls into stark relief the uncanny appeal of narcissists-. Here is a summary of the similarities between "The BODY (Ikeda) and The SHADOW (Trump)-- for those who have faith in Myoho-renge-kyo and who read and study Nichiren's teachings directly.
In a New Yorker piece, Schwartz described a man unable to focus for any period of time and driven by a compulsive need for more money and more attention, to the point of reckless behavior.
If he were writing the book today, he said, it would be called The Sociopath.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wealth-myth_us_57b09a63e4b007c36e4f1bff
"“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Schwartz told the New Yorker. “
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/art-of-the-deal-trump_us_578ce629e4b0a0ae97c2aa9b
How many *warning signs* have been ignored regarding Daiskau Ikeda's narcissism?
"Polly Toynbee (who seems to lack any basic sympathy for things Japanese) said of Ikeda in a 1995 BBC broadcast (quoted here): “I think it would be hard to imagine a less spiritual man. […] A powerful megalomania; we got this aura of power from him that was extremely alarming. We then went, on another day with him, to some huge Nuremberg-style rally in a stadium, where everything was to the greater worship of him.” Arnold Toynbee, on the other hand, respected Ikeda and is almost deferential to him.”
https://davidderrick.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/soka-gakkai-and-polly-toynbee/
"He is also known as an arrogant and mean-spirited man who taunts Gakkai executives at meetings. Yet his combination of religious aura and political clout has proved devastatingly successful.”
https://culteducation.com/group/940-soka-gakkai/7670-daisaku-ikeda-statesman-billionaire-god-.html
"Ikeda's natural instinct for power (manifested from the Id) became uncontrollable long, long ago, and is thoroughly documented in the pages of this sub and on dozens and dozens of websites all around the net.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/2n4tgw/did_ikedas_hidden_powerlust_give_birth_to_his/
"This is the problem all dictators and 1%ers face. The richer and more powerful you become, the more people seek to take advantage of you, to use you for their own benefit. And for a dictator like Ikeda, those closest to him are going to be scheming to take over, exactly the same way Ikeda did when he was close to Toda. Ikeda even locked himself in Toda's room as Toda lay dying, so no one else could get in or observe. And he didn't open the door until Toda was good and dead. Did Ikeda speed up the process? Toda was a raging alcoholic who smoked like a chimney. He was clearly in bad shape already, no matter how you sliced it, and he'd been sick for a while. Did Ikeda get tired of waiting for nature to run its course?”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/3b1cgj/ikeda_has_no_friends/
Will Ikeda's ghost writers come forward in the same spirit of caring about *the people* that was shown by Tony Schwartz?
While over half of Americans are organizing their political strategies for preventing Pres. Elect Donald Trump from enacting his campaign promises around immigration, censoring the press and radically changing out foreign and global trade policies, I think there is an even more relevant task at hand for practitioners of Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism-- to rid our country of this ONE evil, SGIkeda-USA.
Namu-Myoho-Renge-Kyo
Best~
~Katie
ATTENTION: SGI members finally have a REAL mission-- to rid 192 countries of the great EVIL propagated by Daisaku Ikeda!!

All the Best,
~Katie
Chas.
2016-11-20 04:32:41 UTC
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Iain makes a new buddhism, starting by attacking and replacing the SGI and President Ikeda +

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 2:42:29 PM UTC-8, ***@gmail.com wrote:
||| Does the emphasis modern SGI teaching places on the
||| mentor-disciple relationship help or hinder practice
||| of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren's Buddhism?
|||
||| To address this question it is first necessary to define
||| what the SGI means by 'mentor'. The term is used in
||| 6 main ways by SGI:
|||
||| 1) The Law as mentor
||| 2) The Buddha as mentor
||| 3) One or other of the "3 Presidents"
||| 4) Mr Ikeda as mentor
||| 5) A generalised umbrella term that is used to refer to
||| any of 1-5 without being specific 6) A general concept that
||| wraps 1-5 into a 'oneness'
|||

You forgot countless. President Ikeda once called the Gohonzon the true mentor, he has mentioned being mentored by children he talks to, and by Zhou Enlai of China (and many others), and has said the SGI is filled with great mentors and that they should mentor each other.

||| Using this term in so many different senses invites
||| confusion.
|||

The true state of affairs in life is as confusing as hell. So, what?

Mentoring and being mentored in Nichiren Buddhism is good. If I shakubuku someone and they decide to come to a meeting, even if they don't decide to take up the practice and receive the Gohonzon right away, this is still an absolute good. They will without doubt attain enlightenment sooner than they would if they only heard me say Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo when I first invited them (I never, ever, forget to say Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.)

In all three cases the result is guaranteed, so why do I bother trying to get people to come to meetings (acting as their parent and mentor)? The answer is that there is an untold amount of human misery that can happen along the path towards enlightenment and I am a determined enemy of human misery: to diminish and end it, forthwith.

When I was yet unborn but residing in my mother's womb after September 1950, the martyred Tsunesaburo Makiguchi was still the President of the Soka Gakkai. Before my birth in June 1951, Josei Toda became the President of the Soka Gakkai. When I was nine, Daisaku Ikeda became the President of the Soka Gakkai. I claim all three as mentors.

Mr. Toda said, "Abolish human misery," and I have vowed to do so.

||| In terms of the Law and the Buddha, it is unnecessary,
||| since the acts of teaching, learning,  embracing and
||| following are already implicit and explicit. In terms of
||| Nichiren's teaching 'Namu' underscores those actions.
|||
||| It can be helpful to describe the relationship between
||| human mentors and their disciples and a shared mission to
||| accomplish something. The question is should this linear
||| and usually personal relationship be conflated with faith
||| and practice of the Law or relationship with the Buddha?
|||
||| What happens, for instance, if the 'mentor' in the sense
||| of the 3 presidents or Mr Ikeda are at variance with the
||| Law or the Buddha? And if one has conflated them, will one
||| be able to spot if there is a variance?
|||
||| Associating these different usages things together, as is
||| done in 5) and 6), makes it hard to think about them
||| separately.
|||
||| Specifically, if one has got used to thinking about 1-5
||| as a 'oneness', if there is variance, then cognitive
||| dissonance with result. If one has accepted the proposition
||| that it is RIGHT to think of these things as a 'oneness'
||| then the likely response to any dissonance, will be to
||| excuse, overlook or dismiss the incongruity. And that's a
||| problem when it comes to practicing the Law.
|||

So picky. The principle mentor and disciple is about practicing the Lotus Sutra, not theorizing about it. In the Ceremony in the Air, the Buddha preaches the Law and the Bodhisattvas of the Earth arise and vow to receive the Law, protect it and spread it widely. This is an organized action and they had a leader name Jogyo, Superior Practices. They were not theorizing, like Shakyamuni's followers who were monks (and yourself), they were taking action (like President Ikeda and the SGI.)

||| Nichiren's stance is clear, he resisted bringing the Law,
||| The Buddha, The Sutra and spiritual teachers together in
||| this way and in the following passage we can see why.
|||

Baloney, not clear at all. You are simply avoiding doing the hard work of Kosen Rufu, by sitting and meditating about theory and chanting to pagodas.

||| "How Those Initially Aspiring to the Way Can Attain
||| Buddhahood Through The Lotus Sutra"
|||
|||
||| WND Volume 1 page 872-873
|||
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/110#para-4
|||
||| "A sutra says: 'Rely on the Law and not upon persons.
||| Rely on the meaning of the teaching and not on the words.
||| Rely on wisdom and not on discriminative thinking. Rely on
||| sutras that are complete and final and not on those that
||| are not complete and final.'
|||
||| The meaning of this passage is that one should not rely
||| upon the words of the bodhisattvas and teachers, but should
||| heed what was established by the Buddha. It further means
||| that one should not rely upon the teachings of the True
||| Word, Zen, and Nembutsu schools, which are based upon the
||| sutras of the Flower Garland, Āgama, Correct and Equal, and
||| Wisdom periods, but should uphold the sutras that are
||| complete and final. And by relying upon 'sutras that are
||| complete and final,' it means upholding the Lotus Sutra."
|||
||| By keeping teachers (or mentors) and bodhisattvas
||| separate, he maintains the supremacy of the Law and The
||| Buddha as the spiritual authority. And by making
||| distinctions between the Sutras, he does the same.
|||

You are conflating "True Word, Zen, and Nembutsu schools" with the SGI and upholding the Lotus Sutra with yourself? You are clearly creating a new Sangha of Iain Buddhism now, by replacing the SGI and President Ikeda with yourself.

Also, the "A sutra" quoted by Nichiren Daishonin is the Nirvana Sutra, which we all know is final, but incomplete, although it is the Buddha's last word and testament. Literalists like yourself would note the inconsistency. Disciples who follow their mentors, like myself, will try to understand and follow the Buddha's last will and testament. That is mentor and disciple, too.

||| Clearly, it was important to him to ensure that his
||| followers understood this but why?
|||
||| Nichiren's writings are full of instances where he argues
||| that 'teachers' can and do lead their disciples astray,
||| specifically away from a correct faith in the Lotus Sutra.
||| He was also went to great lengths to avoid doing that
||| himself, which is why some people refer to Nichiren as a
||| 'scriptural' Buddhist.
|||
||| We can see this approach in the two translations of the
||| following passage:
|||
||| Writings of Nichiren Daishonin Vol , Page 543.
|||
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/66
|||
||| "Your process of questioning is backwards. If I had cited
||| passages from the commentaries of men such as T’ien-t’ai
||| and the others and you had then asked whether there were
||| passages from the sutras and treatises to support them,
||| that I could understand. But since I have already cited
||| sutra passages that clearly prove the argument, it is
||| hardly necessary to ask if there are similar passages in
||| the commentaries. If by chance you found that the sutras
||| and the commentaries disagreed, would you then discard the
||| sutras and follow the commentaries?"
|||
||| Writings of Nichiren Shonin, Doctrine 1, University of
||| Hawaii Press, page 195
|||
||| "Your question is out of order. You may ask for
||| scriptural proofs to back up statements in later
||| commentaries, but you may not look for proofs in later
||| commentaries when the statements in sutras are clear. Are
||| you going to side with commentaries against sutras in cases
||| where you find then contradictory?"
|||

I'm sorry, you can't dismiss Nichiren Daishonin (as a "later commentator" to be ignored) to avoid his admonitions against slander of the Law and towards refuting slander of the Law (which you have), and then quote him to support your attack on his true followers in the SGI.

You yourself said that the Lotus Sutra is the only mentor you will follow, so to be consistent with your denial of Nichiren Daishonin as mentor, please quit quoting him to undermine those true disciples of Nichiren Daishonin that actually follow him closely and carry out his intent by their actions, in the SGI.

You are either with Nichiren Daishonin or you are in Avichi Hell:

From the Orally Transmitted Teachings, p. 138,

... Point Seventeen, on the words "Abandoning restraint, they
... give themselves up to the five desires / and fall into the
... evil paths of existence."
...
... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says:
... "Abandoning restraint" is a term designating slander of
... the Law. Those who do so are without doubt destined to
... fall into the Avichi hell.
...
... But now Nichiren and his followers, who chant
... Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, are exempted from the fate referred
... to in this passage of the sutra.

After summarily dismissing Nichiren Daishonin (have you every called him "Daishonin" in this forum? I think not) and then having the temerity to quote the dismissed Bodhisattva Superior Practices, you then have the utter gall to go on and interpret what he says and re-interpret the Lotus Sutra for yourself.

||| Here Nichiren is setting a priority between reliance on
||| the Sutra and the commentaries.
|||
||| It is not automatically bad to take heed of what teachers
||| or mentors have to say, they may have genuinely useful
||| insights.
|||
||| The issue is about keeping a separation between them and
||| setting the correct hierarchy so that one can evaluate
||| those insights against the benchmark of the Law,  Buddha
||| and (Lotus) Sutra, whist maintaining the priority order
||| that maintains the supremacy of Law, Buddha and Sutra. 
|||
||| In terms of any modern Nichiren sect that claims to
||| practice his teachings, one might add Nichiren's teaching
||| to the end of that pecking order.
|||
||| So we can see by this that the teaching of "the way
||| mentor disciple" as currently used by the SGI is at best
||| unclear and invites confusion in the practice of the Lotus
||| Sutra and at worst is open to abuse.
|||
||| Further more it is at odds with Nichiren's approach.
||| Where he deliberately separated these concepts to avoid
||| risk, the SGI brings then together and invites it.
|||
||| One particular problem is the emphasis with which the
||| mentor is given by some practitioners, which has potential
||| to obstruct their faith and hinder their practice. This
||| results from the general focus that is currently accorded
||| to thus teaching by SGI.
|||
||| It results in strange statements about having a
||| 'supercharged practice' as a result of embracing the mentor
||| or achieving radical life transformation as a result of
||| having 'made a relationship with Sensei (or 'my mentor').
||| As if pure faith in Namu myoho renge kyo and the Gohonzon
||| wasn't enough!
|||

People who have experienced what you have not, try and express their experiences in human terms that you can understand. That is mentoring. Just having faith in the Lotus Sutra and undermining the Sangha that encouraged your practice of that faith, is not a small evil, Iain.

||| Given that Nichiren Buddhism is fundamentally about
||| correct faith in the correct object of worship, this trend
||| should be worrying to any organisation that is concerned
||| with teaching thus Buddhism.
|||
||| There are indications that the focus on the mentor is
||| displacing Namu myoho renge kyo and the Gohonzon and
||| becoming a thing in itself that is considered as the means
||| for salvation.
|||
||| I'm sure some will object, pointing out that SGI continue
||| to chant the Daimoku to the Gohonzon and to teach about
||| Nichiren, the Daimoku and the Gohonzon. This is all true
||| however it's a red herring. It's not that the SGI does
||| these things, it's a question of how and to what degree.
|||
||| Put simply, anything that has the potential to damage
||| correct understanding and correct faith or to divert from a
||| central correct focus on the power of Namu myoho renge kyo
||| and the Gohonzon, should be put aside.
|||
||| We have seen how conflating different things by using the
||| same term to refer to them is not correct in terms of
||| Nichiren's teaching.
|||
||| If one goes further and then states "if one forgets the
||| way of mentor-disciple, one cannot attain enlightenment" as
||| Mr Ikeda does in his 2009 lecture on the Heritage of the
||| Ultimate Law of Life and Death, one can clearly see the
||| danger that Nichiren was warning his disciples about.
|||
||| To assert such a thing is not only irresponsible but it
||| is unsupportable on the basis of the Lotus Sutra and
||| Nichiren's teaching. The Sutra clearly teaches that if one
||| makes a relationship with the Sutra, even if one rejects it
||| or slanders it, one will attain enlightenment. Nichiren
||| teaches the same thing. So how can Mr Ikeda assert such a
||| thing and who do we take as right?
|||

What President Ikeda says is simply a reflection of his experience doing Kosen Rufu and by doing countless shakubuku and leading activities and seeing what has worked and what has not. You have none of that experience, Iain. Those who divide and undermine the Sangha, EVEN WHEN THEY MIGHT BE RIGHT IN SOME SMALL PRINCIPLE, are doing a great evil to the greater Kosen Rufu movement.

Note that the Three Presidents all suffered under the yoke of an absolutely corrupt priesthood, and remained supportive, handing over vast amounts of money and follwing their rituals loyally. It was the ingratitude and jealousy of the NST priesthood that caused THEM to excommunicate US. That was the reward the SGI received from them. We didn't leave them, they kicked us out. We followed Nikko Shonin's admonitions to the bitter end as loyal disciples of the Fuji School. And like a tongue pushed to the side as the rotten tooth of Nichiren Shoshu is extracted from the mouth of the Fuji School, we will remain healthy in spite of their corruption. Their will be peripeteia, a reversal of fortune, for the Fuji School.

||| The answer should be clear based on Nichiren's statements
||| above. Mr Ikeda's teaching is to be disregarded. And yet
||| for many SGI members who have accepted the teaching of
||| mentor-disciple and accepted the notion that it is
||| legitimate to bring different things together to form a
||| oneness, will most probably either miss this variance with
||| the Sutra or find a way explain it away. It is likely that
||| if they have taken Daiseku Ikeda as their mentor that they
||| will favour him and accepted his teaching rather than
||| reject it on the basis of the Sutra.
|||
||| One nutshell, they are likely to reject Nichiren, reverse
||| the priority and assert his supremacy over that of the Law,
||| Buddha, The Sutra and Nichiren. And if they do that, they
||| will have damaged their faith.
|||
||| So, does the teaching of mentor disciple help or hinder
||| practitioners of Nichiren Buddhism? My answer to that is a
||| resounding no.
|||
||| The purpose of a teacher of the Law is to facilitate
||| their students to a correct faith and practice that becomes
||| self motivated and self sustaining and to get out of their
||| way when it does. In a sense it is the most humble role
||| that if done well is as effective as it is invisible.
|||
||| When the student establish a faith and practice that
||| results in the Law pulsing strongly through their lives as
||| it did with the Atsuhara believers the teacher knows they
||| have done what they came to do, it is time to quietly
||| celebrate one's achievement, laud the students achievement
||| and let go.
|||
||| Now that really is a mentor...

I take it that you are the "great teacher" showing President Ikeda and the SGI (and the "later commentator" Nichiren Daishonin) how to do this properly?

I will repeat what I said to you in another post.

I note that your preaching to your new Sangha is an attempt to mentor and collect disciples to your new Buddhism, Iain.

You have identified both Nichiren Daishonin as "later commentators" that you can ignore at your whim, by virtue of your vast wisdom and interpretation of the Lotus Sutra, replacing them both and putting forth your new Iain Buddhism.

There are three treasures, not two.

The Sangha is third of those, and a Sangha must have a
leader to survive.

Hence, not following the Sangha's leader means abandoning
the Sangha and forgoing one of the legs of that three
legged platform for your life.

Even though you misrepresented yourself as a member of
the SGI for two months after you abandoned it, you must
at least comprehend that.

Replacing the Buddha with oneself and stealing the
Buddha's Sangha are the acts of Devadatta, Iain. It all
starts out with lies and ends in misery.

Here's the initial revealing of the misrepresentation,
complete with putting the blame on others for your
actions:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/eVElZxnOADY/fJGOdGdhDAAJ

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-8, ***@gmail.com wrote:
||| Oh and on a related note, I parted company with SGI on
||| the last day of 2015 and have been remiss in thanking you
||| for enabling me to understand how far it had drifted from
||| the organisation I joined (and would still join if it
||| taught the sane things and facilitated the sane pure
||| faith). I owe you a great debt of gratitude. :D

Note that the disciples are collecting already at the
bottom of that list of posts.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:13:22 PM UTC-8, ***@gmail.com wrote:
||| *applause* Iain your posts continue to give me life and
||| are a source of encouragement. Thank you. Daily life is
||| busy so at the moment i do not have time to post or even
||| read. But i do have a question I would like to get answered
||| from the gosho steeped people of this forum so will post
||| later.
||| Happy Thursday.

Here's the first failed attempt to form a Sangha outside
ARBN, which failed utterly [with Julian's responses],
which is why you continue to attempt to make this
forum your new Sangha:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/RULYUjCHykc/eHiAld6SEAAJ
||| Thanks Chas, I know it wasn't directed at me and I've
||| guessed there's a history between David and you, lool I've
||| seen some of the exchanges here and on Narchive! Still, I
||| found it surprising and I restate that I don't think you do
||| that, at least I hope you wouldn't!!!
|||
||| Odd that you're having posts blocked, I haven't had
||| that at all but hey. So what do you reckon? Shall we move
||| out of the wild west and into a moderated forum? What's
||| your vote? Alex? David? Mark? Anyone else?
|||
||| If we want to do that, I'd want to set some ground
||| rules we could agree on and that keep the forum lively,
||| free yet not prone to excesses of objectionable posting.
||| Provided that's agreed and stated up front, very happy to
||| moderate a group on that basis...
|||
||| What say you guys? :)
I'm not interested in moderated fora unless I, alone, am
the moderator.
Even then it would be too tiresome to keep my interest
beyond a day
or so.
||| OK, thanks Julian, that's a pity. Not even if it's a
||| loosely moderated forum and moderated openly to jointly
||| agreed criteria? If you change your mind, let me know. I
||| hope you're doing well by the way. Happy New Year to you :)
|||
In my experience, invariably, the moderators go insane
corrupted by even so little power.
I have nothing to add there.

-Chas.
Katie Higgins
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PITY Chas - still in denial or on the SGI payroll or both 🙄

~Katie
Chas.
2016-11-22 04:16:44 UTC
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Iain learns about Mentor and Disciple on the eve of his departure from the SGI +

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 2:42:29 PM UTC-8, ***@gmail.com wrote:
[Written 7 days after Iain's belated announcement
that he had left the SGI on January 1st.]
Post by Chas.
Does the emphasis modern SGI teaching places on the
mentor-disciple relationship help or hinder practice of the
Lotus Sutra and Nichiren's Buddhism?
To address this question it is first necessary to define
what the SGI means by 'mentor'. The term is used in 6 main
1) The Law as mentor
2) The Buddha as mentor
3) One or other of the "3 Presidents"
4) Mr Ikeda as mentor
5) A generalised umbrella term that is used to refer to
any of 1-5 without being specific 6) A general concept that
wraps 1-5 into a 'oneness'
You forgot countless. President Ikeda once called the Gohonzon the true mentor, he has mentioned being mentored by children he talks to, and by Zhou Enlai of China (and many others), and has said the SGI is filled with great mentors and that they should mentor each other.
Post by Chas.
Using this term in so many different senses invites
confusion.
The true state of affairs in life is as confusing as hell. So, what?

.
. Skip all this ...
.
.

We begin with Iain's first (and I'm sure not the last) failed attempt (foiled by Julian) to create a new Sangha, one day after he secretly left the SGI:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/RULYUjCHykc/eHiAld6SEAAJ
Post by Chas.
Thanks Chas, I know it wasn't directed at me and I've
guessed there's a history between David and you, lool I've
seen some of the exchanges here and on Narchive! Still, I
found it surprising and I restate that I don't think you do
that, at least I hope you wouldn't!!!
Odd that you're having posts blocked, I haven't had
that at all but hey. So what do you reckon? Shall we move
out of the wild west and into a moderated forum? What's
your vote? Alex? David? Mark? Anyone else?
If we want to do that, I'd want to set some ground
rules we could agree on and that keep the forum lively,
free yet not prone to excesses of objectionable posting.
Provided that's agreed and stated up front, very happy to
moderate a group on that basis...
What say you guys? :)
I'm not interested in moderated fora unless I, alone, am
the moderator.
Even then it would be too tiresome to keep my interest
beyond a day
or so.
OK, thanks Julian, that's a pity. Not even if it's a
loosely moderated forum and moderated openly to jointly
agreed criteria? If you change your mind, let me know. I
hope you're doing well by the way. Happy New Year to you :)
In my experience, invariably, the moderators go insane
corrupted by even so little power.
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What follows are exchanges on the same topic of Mentor and Disciple in the previous month of December 2015 as Iain was secretly planning to leave the SGI and start a new Buddhism with a new Sangha on January 1st, but still hiding behind the false cloak of SGI membership: to freely denounce Sensei and the SGI from the inside, with impunity.
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https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/rndfISdEPvw/anCsekHyCwAJ

On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-8, ***@gmail.com wrote:
[Written 17 days before Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]
Post by Chas.
Chas, my point was specific "organisation needed to propogate". My push back > If you are suggesting that the 'cadres' representated in the passage you quoted somehow mystically translates into this day and age in the shape of the SGI, I think that's a poor suggestion. No doubt in that mythology, Nichiren would be Superior Practices and the three presidents the other leaders of the bodhisattva's of the earth. I have no doubt that this could be what the forces that are reshaping the SGI away from the Law and Gohonzon are driving towards. Those who interpret the meaning have control over that meaning. Beats me Why anyone would need to write Wisdom of the Lotus Sutra when one can simply read it and chant Daimoku...
Your rhetorical technique of declaring some things to be others, or relabeling, is specious. The SGI history and struggle is not a "mythology", it is a fact.

Since you haven't bothered to read "The Wisdom of the Lotus Sutra", how can you present a critique? You probably haven't read "The Living Buddha", "Buddhism, The First Millennium", or "The Flower of Chinese Buddhism", yet either. Those are world-renowned and widely-taught histories, as well. I would suggest reading them, you might learn something you don't already know.

Recent studies of how the human brain actually works presents some interesting insight. The technicolor and stereo picture you have of the world around us is not the way it really is. Vision signals come into the thalamus from the optic nerves and flow to the visual cortex in the back for processing and then to the cortex on top to create your world model a half-second delayed, incorporating the other sense paths.

What's interesting about this is that there is six times as much signal flowing back into the thalamus and modifying your vision signal as the original signal from the optic nerves. So what you see as "objective reality" is six times as much subjective as objective. Hence the people rambling around talking to themselves and seeing things are actually talking to people and seeing those things. Or the people who see their mother in a photo, feeding back six times as much information into the recognized image, surrounding her face with a golden aura and love and warmth...

Hence, what people perceive when the chant to the Gohonzon, or when they see Sensei, or go to an SGI meeting and chant together and talk with other members ... this is mostly context from the inside and not from the outside.

So, when David Cole was standing guard outside the chamber where President Ikeda was having personal meetings with one after another young women's division leader for many hours in Southern California all those years ago ... he perceived Sensei having sex with all those girls one after another in an act of superhuman sexual prowess unmatched by any human male in history. It was the only way he could explain what was progressing, and I'm sure he received visual, aural and other sense queues to reinforce that world model in his cortex. This was because he did not have the mentor and disciple relationship to protect him from the demons that arise at the beckoning of the devil king in all people who chant and attempt to attain enlightenment to challenge the dominion of the devil king over the six worlds.

You may have had similar "experiences" of SGI life.

My experiences are quite different.

My first experience with Sensei close up was in 1973? or 1974?, when I was a bus toban at the San Diego convention. There I was on the street holding back the crowd behind me to protect them from running out into the motorcade passing by 20 feet away. As Sensei smiled and waved at each of us: a joined wave of joyous sound passed up the street and finally got to me as we looked at each other.

I had no idea of what to expect and no preconceived expectations of any kind. I had precious little religious belief or faith in Buddhism. I was chanting, because I had a desire to make something of my life, and absolutely no faith in anything else whatsoever, so Buddhism was my only hope. I was, however, quite sincere and diligent in protecting my bus load of members, every step of the way from the very beginning of the trip until the last member stepped off the bus at the end and went on their way. Their well-being was my entrustment and in that moment I was fulfilling my vow, with no idea of what the effect would be of that cause. I was chanting like crazy on that trip, because every time the bus made a rest stop was another chaotic opportunity for deviltry to destroy the trip for someone or everyone. I would watch everyone like a hawk, and make precision head counts every time we got back on the bus.

As our gazes came close, my life condition soared, I know this now, because I have chanted many tens of millions of daimoku and that is how it feels to chant a lot.

As our gazes met, I perceived an image of black Chinese characters on a purest white background, I think the character myo (to open, to revive, to be fully endowed). I had never heard of such a thing from anyone and it was a surprise to me. As the motorcade went up the street and looked back at the people I was protecting and they were all similarly blown away.

It took me a while to process that experience and come up with a conclusion that in the mirror of the Gohonzon, we were simply two bus tobans doing our job, although his bus was significantly larger.

However, before and after coming to an understanding of that, a deep bond was formed in that moment, and every time there is an opportunity for devils to arise in the relationship of myself and Sensei, or the SGI or any leader or member of the SGI, that mentor and disciple relationship, like a grandmother cell in the visual cortex, recognizes him and them as true self. And anything that attacks them as something I have to deal with, sometimes with great care, other times very strictly.

And that sums up the world view residing in my cortex, permanently colored by that mentor and disciple relationship, never to be swayed by anything.

Now, this experience didn't make me a great bodhisattva or anything, I was still a lousy Buddhist, pursuing my career flying around the world, repeatedly out of touch from the organization periodically, missing gongyo a lot (so glad it's shorter), sometimes only chanting when I was miserable, which of course guaranteed a lot of that. But like the jewel sewn into the robe, the one and only thing in the world I had faith in was that relationship with Sensei, and that finally brought me back into focus in the SGI, where I found out we had been excommunicated. Being permanently on Sensei's side in any dispute, I traded in my Nittatsu Gohonzon for a larger Nichikan Gohonzon and here is my unworthy self, completely shed of any attachment to the NST priesthood.

As Nichiren states in "Encouragement to a Sick Person", pp. 77-78,

. Moreover, every single person is guilty of slander of the
. Law, an offense exceeding even the ten evil acts or the
. five cardinal sins. Although few people slander the Lotus
. Sutra with actual words of abuse, there are none who accept
. it. Some appear to accept the sutra, but their faith in it
. is not as deep as their faith in the Nembutsu or other
. teachings. And even those with profound faith do not
. reproach the enemies of the Lotus Sutra. However great the
. good causes one may make, or even if one reads and copies
. the entirety of the Lotus Sutra a thousand or ten thousand
. times, OR ATTAINS THE WAY OF PERCEIVING THREE THOUSAND
. REALMS IN A SINGLE MOMENT OF LIFE, if one fails to denounce
. the enemies of the Lotus Sutra, it will be impossible to
. attain the way.

Note the characters in bold, even if you perceive ichinen sanzen in the Gohonzon and fail to denounce the enemies of the Lotus Sutra, it is impossible to attain the way.

Iain, I note that you started chanting in 1988 (27 years ago, according to you), did you receive a Nikken Gohonzon? Have you done the Gohonzon exchange?

-Chas.

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***@gmail.com Dec 17, 2015 1:31 PM
[14 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]

Thanks Chas,

I don't see any point discussing anything further with you. You have clearly formed a particular belief system founded on Mr Ikeda and SGI as absolute and unchangeable entities that seem not to be subject to delusion or capable of corruption. I have expressed my views and they are very clearly different from yours and incompatible. Our worldviews and view of the practice are mutually exclusive. Although I disagree with your views and your beliefs, you have a right to them. You are the boss of your life Chas and you alone are responsible for it. Likewise for me.

I would however like to correct you on your baseless assumption:

"Since you haven't bothered to read "The Wisdom of the Lotus Sutra", how can you present a critique?"

I suggest you read my posts to understand how wrong you are. Especially the one that clearly states when I got my copies of that series. I find it surprising that you would make this error towards someone who clearly has an extensive library and who has clearly read and can reference the books within that library.

"You probably haven't read "The Living Buddha", "Buddhism, The First Millennium", or "The Flower of Chinese Buddhism", yet either."

These were among the first books of Mr Ikeda's that I got along with the Buddhism in action series. And, like many of Mr Ikeda's writings of that era, I got a lot from them. I can't remember precise dates of acquisition but I remember I got them from Richmond Green, when that was our National Centre, so 1988 - 1990? not much later.

"Those are world-renowned and widely-taught histories, as well. I would suggest reading them, you might learn something you don't already know."

Not quite Chas, I enjoyed them but by Mr Ikeda's own admission, they are to someone extent reimaginings. Buddhist history told in a digestible format and from a very particular standpoint. There is always more we can know Chas, I haven't stopped learning, nor will I.

On the Gohonzon exchange, what an odd question! Why even would it matter if I had or had not exchanged the Mandala? Gohonzon is Gohonzon, is Gohonzon. But since you are curious about the Mandala I chant to, Omamori was bestowed in about 1998 and Tokabetsu was bestowed in 2005, you work it out. Just let's be very clear, Gohonzon is found in the two characters for faith. That's the really important thing, not the Mandala in and of itself.

To end, I have noticed you like to try and keep the exchange going. In future of I need to respond, I will simply reference this post. As I said at the start of this post, I am not interested in further discussion with you for the reasons given. Good wishes to you and farewell. :)

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Chas. Dec 18, 2015 6:41 AM
Post by Chas.
Thanks Chas,
I don't see any point discussing anything further with you....
To end, I have noticed you like to try and keep the exchange going. In future of I need to respond, I will simply reference this post. As I said at the start of this post, I am not interested in further discussion with you for the reasons given. Good wishes to you and farewell. :)
Farewell, again, Iain.

-Chas.

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***@gmail.com Dec 19, 2015 5:30 AM
[12 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]

An observation on the following statement from earlier in the thread is that if one understands and applies the nine consciousnessess model, this is self evident. In fact what is notable is the extent to which the findings of modern neuroscience support that model.


"... So what you see as "objective reality" is six times as much subjective as objective. Hence the people rambling around talking to themselves and seeing things are actually talking to people and seeing those things. Or the people who see their mother in a photo, feeding back six times as much information into the recognized image, surrounding her face with a golden aura and love and warmth...
Post by Chas.
Hence, what people perceive when the chant to the Gohonzon, or when they see Sensei, or go to an SGI meeting and chant together and talk with other members ... this is mostly context from the inside and not from the outside."
So briefly, on the nine consciousnessess. The 'sensory' consciousnesses are aligned to the senses of sight, hearing, touch, taste and smell but they are not those senses in and of themselves.

Their job is to filter and make sense of the input from the external world that comes via each of those inputs.

The sixth consciousness puts it all together into a coherent whole. However that is not a one way street. The 6th interplays with the sensory consciousnessess.

The seventh, allows deeper judgement, Dick Causton locates the ego in the seventh consciousness.

The eight is the 'storehouse' at a superficial level this is memory itself, a deeper reading would, in psychological terms be the subconscious, unconscious and even collective unconscious. A still deeper reading in Buddhist terms is that it is the seat of our karma and quite possibly the single greatest factor in shaping who we are.

Likewise, as for the 6th, there is an interplay between the collective of 6,7 & 8 and the sensory consciousnesses. Our internal subjective reality is the product of their collective operation.

One can look at this in a different way, thought (perception), influences feeling (emotion), emotion, influences behaviour, behaviour influences the way our external world responds, which in turn influences out thoughs (perception).

Our subjective perception (subjective reality) is essentially a model of the world (objective reality) that's all, it is not the fact itself.

How accurate our subjective reality is is determined by the limits on the amount of information we can hold and process plus the choices we make in rendering the world and the cognitive mistakes we make. Eugene Gendlin, in his philosophical works, has an interesting take on this.

The problem of subjective reality is that it's really hard to spot the limits of something that seems so real and spot the choices/errors we have made in creating it. Hence the usefulness of the ninth consciousness. Hence also why the ninth consciousness is said to 'purify' the other consciousnessess when it is active and operative.

Once one can see clearly, one then has a better basis for living well. Again, there similarities with this view, which could be said to be reliance on the Law, and with Gendlin's research in his counselling works, suggest the same phenomenon.

As Nichiren once said, attaining Buddhahood is nothing extraordinary. I think he's right. It is a purely natural function with us that should be simple but that gets overcomplicated and sometimes deliberately so by those with vested interests.

Most of the problem of becoming enlightened and routinely using enlightenment as an aid to living comes from trying to get past the compelling delusion of the perception we are presented with, which is created by the workings of the unenlightened 8 consciousnessess.

Just to make things more difficult, there is money to be made and power to be had by keeping people in an unenlightened state and keeping them dependent. It's unsurprising that any teachings and teachers that advocate and deliver people into the independence of their enlightened minds meet with persecution and resistance.

In today's world, that's probably most typified by powerful corporations that have become adept at using the nudges of behavioural economics and the insights that come from data mining, psychological profiling and neurological research to inform and drive whole marketing industries that effectively influence behaviour in unenlightened people.

Not that all powerful organisation are problematic but for some, can you imagine how undesirable a massive outbreak of enlightenment and thus independence, would be in the world population? People would be much harder to control, heavens they might even start thinking for themselves, challenging inequalities and elites. The share prices of some could plummet and careers left in tatters.

That's why a clear focus on reliance on the Law and steadfast faith are needed. It's the only route past an internal reality that is so compulsively believable even when it is so flawed and which is so ably supported and encouraged by elements in the external world.

This is indeed a difficult age...

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***@gmail.com 12/19/15
[12 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]
[Not the "appeal to authority" made by wrapping himself in the SGI leadership, even though he is secretly leaving it.]

Correction to this statement:

"You may have had similar "experiences" of SGI life."

That is made against the backdrop of the quotion further down.

The simple answer is no, my experience of SGI life has been very positive. The embedded assumption in the statement quoted is as follows: If you (I) had experienced a positive SGI life, I would have formed the same mystical bind with 'Sensei' and therefore I would not see anything but good in the SGI or Mr Ikeda. So by extension, I must have had a negative SGI life and not formed the proper bond with 'sensei' and not been protected by the mentor-disciple relationship. Therefore, by further extension I am in the 'other' group and therefore what I say can be dismissed.

OK now for the truth, not only have I had a very positive experience of SGI and its NST lay society forerunner, not only am I on record for having Saud so and credited Mr Ikeda but it is precisely because of taking careful note of what Mr Ikeda taught and of those wonderful people who helped me shape my faith that I dissent in some areas not.

I will not have the a lazy labelling applied, particularly when it is not accurate or true.

Let's be really clear about this, SGI teaching and those credited to Mr Ikeda have objectively changed. One can see that objectively by comparison of then and now teachings, side-by-side and like-for-like.

This is not a product of the internal workings of an imagining compelling deluded internal subjective reality, this is careful side-by-side textual analysis. Clearly there are differences.

I am true to what I embraced and was taught and remain so. I have put that into practice to great effect and continue to.

My view is that SGI has and is deviating from that true root, so as I am obliged to, as the SGI charter exhorts me to, I speak out.

It is unsurprising that those who would see an organisation they profess to fervently follow and a person who they have all but apothosised, try and dismiss such inconvenient views.

Every time an indisputable point is put it is ignored. As was the case in the textual analysis using Mr Ikeda's lectures on the same Gosho, then and now. Heaven forbid that objectivivity should get in the way of a nicely running, 6 fold thalamus feedback created subjective thrall We really don't want to disturb that Nice warm cosy golden glow now do we?

Such fake followers are like so many cunning and cowardly foxes barking in the night. They care naught for their organization nor their 'sensei' and even less for the Law.

So long as their selfish beliefs remain intact and they can continue to live in La, La land with the warmth of their golden internal reality decorated with black mystical Chinese characters on a pure white background floating in the air, like a bad rendition of the "The Bullet Proof Monk", they're happy. And they'll go to any length's to keep it that way.

This was the pitiful attempt at a slur on my SGI experience (rofl):

"So, when David Cole was standing guard outside the chamber where President Ikeda was having personal meetings with one after another young women's division leader for many hours in Southern California all those years ago ... he perceived Sensei having sex with all those girls one after another in an act of superhuman sexual prowess unmatched by any human male in history. It was the only way he could explain what was progressing, and I'm sure he received visual, aural and other sense queues to reinforce that world model in his cortex. This was because he did not have the mentor and disciple relationship to protect him from the demons that arise at the beckoning of the devil king in all people who chant and attempt to attain enlightenment to challenge the dominion of the devil king over the six worlds.

You may have had similar "experiences" of SGI life."

Good luck with trying to get anyone who knows me, including our current and two previous General Director's to support your view and your slur.

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Chas. Dec 20, 2015 6:02 AM

Didn't say you had those experiences.

Was saying that the mentor and disciple relationship is protective against such experiences.

Sorry you took it that way, was truly speaking from the heart.

-Chas.

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***@gmail.com Dec 20, 2015 12:48 PM
[11 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]

That's true Chas you did not say 'I had' those experiences, you actually said I 'may have had' those experiences.

Still, I am having trouble reconciling your later statement, that you were illustrating your claim that the mentor disciple relationship was protective against, for want of a better phrase 'demon attack', with your speculation about whatever experiences I may or may not have had.

You choose David Cole to as a foil for your point, so why speculate about me and my experiences? Your point could have been made quite adequately without reference to me. Do you not think I'm close enough to Mr Ikeda and his teachings? Has it ever crossed your mind that I may just actually care quite a bit for him and this organisation? That I might just actually be one of the best 'disciples' he has? I know little but I know this, those who stray from the Law, suffer, that gives me no delight. So my first priority is as a votary of the Sutra. Who the heck do you think taught me that??? And who the heck, besides Mr Toda & Mr Makaguchi made it possible for him to be able to teach so??? Think, Chas think...

This was your actual quote. I 'took it that way' because it was put that way, it had no place being there.

But your apology, even though it is couched in the 'sorry you' (your problem) rather than 'sorry I' (I am responsible for my words) language, is accepted. Thank you.

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Chas. Dec 21, 2015 7:52 AM

There are clearly different writing styles at play here.

I make it perfectly clear at the outset who I am with and who is my Sensei, and [that] is the SGI and Daisaku Ikeda. No one has to ponder for a moment to get that from what I write.

I do not want anyone to think even briefly, that I might be objective or diffident about any of this, and willing to consider or to change over to their distortions of Lotus Sutra Buddhism, or some even lesser amalgamation with Hinduism, like Mark Rogow's.

I am utterly inflexible on that point, due to the mentor and disciple experiences I have described and many others.

The mentor and disciple principle has closed that door into chaos and misery for me. It is like armor, and I always strap on that armor.

-Chas.

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***@gmail.com Dec 21, 2015 9:56 AM
[10 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]

And that Chas is precisely my point.

That inflexiblity and that concern only for yourself is what will be manipulated so that you end up betraying what you say you hold dear. Unless you are in direct and regular contact with Mr Ikeda? Which I very much doubt.

As I said in my previous post, this is just like the barking of cowardly, cunning foxes in the night. I'm not yet decided as to which type of fox you are.

The problem you refuse to confront in your naivete or wilful blindness, is that those who hold the image of the mentor and filter his words hold the power over such unthinking and gullible disciples.

Of course that could be benign, of course it could but that really isn't the point. 'If you slacken for even a bit demons will take advantage', seems an appropriate quote.

It is the same with those who hold the power over the lectures on the Gosho and the Sutra, likewise they who hold the power over the message, when the norm is that one reads Gosho and Sutra, only through the commentary, hold the power to make the Gosho and Sutra support whatever they want it to support. They are free from challenge, especially if it was the mentor's supposed interpretation!

That, my friend was exactly why SGI changed its regulations, to prevent such a situation arising or at least to counter it if it did. A fact that seems lost on you and which I note you have consistently refused to address.

You are so busy refuting and defending the enemies without, it doesn't seem to occur to you that the simplest way to defeat the good work that's been done is to corrupt the organisation from within.

But of course, you no doubt will be able to spot that if it happens, won't you Chas? Because those nice corruptors will have the decency to say 'Hi, we're here to corrupt the SGI', they'll wear nice big signs on their backs 'Icky a corruptor', just so as you can see them easily and take aim.

So, ridiculousness aside, just how would you spot such people? Just how would you know they are at work? Or do you propose that the mentor-disciple thingy is so potent, it will protect against that too?

So, is your proposition that all the nice people who say, act and do like good disciples should - they're OK.

All the slightly dodgy ones, like me for instance, who question, analyse and probe, we'll we are so obviously the ones to be wary of. Yeah, 'I've got a nice big sign on my back Chas', I'm a real threat.

Get real Chas, it's a leitmotive throughout human history that deceivers will always say and do what people want them too in order to get what they want and they will always have a plausible reason to cover any inconsistentcies. Only people who are solidly based, rely on the Law and take careful notice are not deceived and cannot be so.

You still haven't taken up the challenge to make a side-by-side comparison of Mr Ikeda's 1979 and 2009 lectures on the same Gosho Chas. Why not? You called me out on the shift of emphasis from Gohonzon to mentor-disciple relationship. I responded, as I said I would with direct proof, fully referenced, of that shift. And since you have been silent on that point. You refuse to look, or it's convenient for you not to, just let the indisputable point quietly drop...interesting behaviour.

Be streafast in you armour but since you are using militaristic analogies, you might take lesson from Agincourt to see the perils of becoming so locked in, bogged down and inflexible. That way defeat lies but it is your choice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Agincourt

The flexible, who are fleet of foot and who have superior range, they, not the elites, win. And I thought in one of your posts that you said you knew how to fight, clearly not...

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Chas. Dec 22, 2015 7:21 AM

Nah. The armor of mentor and disciple is both light and flexible and worth wearing. Without it you an unprotected from evils like that with befell David [Cole]. Your analogy is more befitting Hitler's wunderwaffe foolishness.

And I am not blind to evil. However, there is a long distance between espousing higher principles, which I do, and leveling charges, which I won't do inside the sangha.

In your analysis of "shift", are you allowing for evolution of thought and of learning from experience? Dealing with the corruptions and evils of the NST priesthood was an advanced education in Buddhist ethics and philosophy in action. We would be poor students if we did not learn from it. Those shifts you describe are partly from that, partly from the wisdom of age and reflection.

Even though the 69,384 character Lotus Sutra and the Law are immutable, our understanding of it grows and changes. WE change.

-Chas.

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***@gmail.com Dec 22, 2015 9:31 AM
[9 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]

Lool, reliance on the Law protects us from evil and only that. There are some things that should not change with learning from experience, reliance on the Law, which is the true object of worship and ultimately self reliance, is one of them. Your defence is weak.

If you have Omamori, you should know that difference well. The Gohonzon is subtly different because it's bearer has the faith to perform the protectivr function. Or didn't they tell you that when you received yours, if in fact it was bestowed on you.

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***@gmail.com Dec 22, 2015 10:36 AM
[9 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]
[And here is where Iain make a grievous error of miscategorization of the sutra.]

And just to be absolutely doubly without doubt, whilst the Immeasurable Meanings sutra, is indeed mentioned in the introduction to the Lotus Sutra, note that it is referenced there as a distinct entity. Also note the following passage, which you omitted to quote.

If you followed Nichiren's Buddhism as you claim, you would not quote a provisional teaching and treat it as equal to the Lotus Sutra, even if it is the opening sutra to the Lotus Sutra.

It is still provisional in comparison with the latter. The passage you omitted is the reason this is so. It clearly sets out why the Lotus is superior. What follows that passage is the unfolding of the wisdom of all Buddhas. Immeasurable meanings does not give one that, the Lotus does.

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/1#para-149

"At that time the world-honored one, surrounded by the four kinds of believers, received offerings and tokens of respect and was honored and praised. And for the sake of the bodhisattvas he preached the great vehicle sutra entitled Immeasurable Meanings, a teaching to instruct the bodhisattvas, one that is guarded and kept in mind by the buddhas.


When the Buddha had finished preaching this sutra, he sat with his legs crossed in the lotus position and entered into the samadhi of the origin of immeasurable meanings, his body and mind never moving. At that time heaven rained down mandarava flowers, great mandarava flowers, manjushaka flowers, and great manjushaka flowers, scattering them over the Buddha and over the great assembly, and everywhere the buddha world quaked and trembled in six different ways."

Fat lot of good studying the 'Wisdom of the Lotus Sutra' regularly has done you if you cannot understand this most basic point. There seems to be a distinct lack of wisdom in your approach and understanding.

May I suggest you go back to the Gosho and carefully read Nichiren's writings on the matter until you grasp the point?

You might also ponder how the events unfold from there on. Later in that chapter, to understand why Immeasurable Meanings is provisional. Later in that same chapter (note the term 'great Law'):

(ibid)

"At that time Manjushri said to the bodhisattva mahasattva Maitreya and the other great men: "Good men, I suppose that the Buddha, the world-honored one, wishes now to expound the great Law, to rain down the rain of the great Law, to blow the conch of the great Law, to beat the drum of the great Law, to elucidate the meaning of the great Law.

Good men, in the past I have seen this auspicious portent among the buddhas. They emitted beams of light like this, and after that they expounded the great Law. Therefore we should know that now, when the present Buddha manifests this light, he will do likewise. He wishes to cause all living beings to hear and understand the Law, which is difficult for all the world to believe. Therefore he has manifested this auspicious portent."

So in other words, the Lotus Sutra is clearly telling us that this great Law has not been expounded in Immeasurable Meanings. The Buddha then starts expounding this great Law in chapter 2 of the Lotus Sutra.

Parroting terms like 'theoretical ichinen sanzen' and bandying them around is of little use if one can't distinguish provisional and true and if one thinks the object of worship is simply an expedient concept that can be de-emphasised and legitimately replaced with the mentor-disciple relationship because of acquiring learning since the time of practicing with the priesthood.

But thank you for confirming that a change of doctrine has in fact taken place.

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Chas. Dec 27, 2015 8:19 AM

I think you are incorrect.

The SGI Dictionary says this:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/I/14

. Immeasurable Meanings Sutra (Chin Wu-liang-i-ching;
. Muryōgi-kyō): Also known as the Sutra of Immeasurable
. Meanings. A sutra regarded as the introductory teaching, or
. prologue, to the Lotus Sutra. It was translated into
. Chinese in 481 by Dharmagathayashas, a monk from central
. India. The sutra describes the Buddha’s preaching on Eagle
. Peak and consists of three chapters. In the first, or
. “Virtuous Practices,” chapter, Bodhisattva Great Adornment
. praises Shakyamuni Buddha in verse on behalf of the
. assembly. This verse section contains the passage known as
. the thirty-four negations, referring to the substance or
. essence of the Buddha. In the second chapter, “Preaching
. the Law,” Shakyamuni explains that all principles and
. meanings derive from a single Law. He then declares:
. “Because their [people’s] natures and desires are not
. alike, I preached the Law in various different ways.
. Preaching the Law in various different ways, I made use of
. the power of expedient means. But in these more than forty
. years, I have not yet revealed the truth,” indicating that
. all the prior teachings were provisional and expedient. The
. final, “Ten Benefits,” chapter explains that by practicing
. this sutra one can obtain ten kinds of blessings. The
. Buddha encourages Bodhisattva Great Adornment and the other
. eighty thousand bodhisattvas present to propagate the
. sutra, and they vow to do so.

Nothing that I can see, other than from you, specifically describes the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra as a provisional teaching.

They say the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra is "A sutra regarded as the introductory teaching, or prologue, to the Lotus Sutra."

The Immeasurable Meanings Sutra is preached after Myoho-Renge-Kyo is heard in the title of chapter one, or introduction to the Lotus Sutra. It is preached inside the Lotus Sutra and nowhere else, as far as I can see.

Provisional teachings cannot follow the utterance of the title of the Lotus Sutra.

And provisional teachings do not know the word provisional, that distinction is first drawn in the Lotus Sutra.

Now that is not to say it is the highest teaching, because it is not complete, in the same way that the Nirvana Sutra is not provisional, but is also not complete. Only the Lotus Sutra is both complete and final.

The first word of the title of the Lotus Sutra (Myo) encompasses all of the Lotus Sutra, according to Nichiren Daishonin. After the Lotus Sutra is preached, none of the Buddha's teachings are provisional.

In fact, I believe it is in the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra that Shakyamuni describes first what is provisional and what is true (in the above references.)

Note that in the "Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, chapter 3, Ten Benefits", it refers to the Lotus Sutra as "this sutra", not "that sutra". This implies, if not identity, at least that it [the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra] is non-provisional.

If a provisional teaching were used to support the complete and final teaching of the Lotus Sutra as the highest teaching in Buddhism, this would be a structural flaw in the support [of} the highest teaching, I believe.

Here are those 59 instances, capitalized:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Prologue/3

. “If there are living beings who are able to hear THIS
. SUTRA, they will gain great profit. Why? Because if they
. can practice it, then without fail they will quickly gain
. unsurpassed enlightenment. As for those living beings who
. are unable to hear it, one should know that they will lose
. great profit, for though immeasurable, boundless,
. inconceivable asamkhya kalpas may pass, they will in the
. end fail to gain unsurpassed enlightenment. Why? Because
. they will not know about the great direct way to
. enlightenment, but will travel perilous byways beset by
. numerous hindrances and trials.
.
. “World-Honored One, THIS SUTRA is beyond comprehension. We
. beg that the world-honored one, taking pity upon this great
. assembly, will broadly expound the profound and
. unfathomable matters contained in THIS SUTRA. World-Honored
. One, where does THIS SUTRA come from, where does it lead
. to, where does it abide, that it should possess such
. immeasurable benefits, such inconceivable powers, assuring
. to the multitude the quick attainment of supreme perfect
. enlightenment?”
.
. At that time the world-honored one said to the bodhisattva
. mahasattva Great Adornment: “Excellent, excellent, good
. men. It is just so, just so, just as you have spoken. Good
. men, THIS SUTRA I preach is profound, profound, truly
. profound! Why do I say so? Because it assures that the
. multitude will quickly attain unsurpassed enlightenment.
. Because once one hears it, one can uphold all the
. doctrines. Because for living beings it brings great profit
. and enrichment. Because practicing it, one travels a great
. direct way free of hindrances and trials.
.
. “Good men, you ask where THIS SUTRA comes from, where it
. leads, where it abides. Listen carefully and with
. attention. Good men, THIS SUTRA issues originally from the
. dwelling and abode of the buddhas. Its aim is to lead all
. living beings to conceive the desire for enlightenment. And
. it abides in the practices carried out by bodhisattvas.
. Good men, this is where THIS SUTRA comes from, where it
. leads, and where it abides. Therefore THIS SUTRA is able to
. possess such immeasurable benefits, such inconceivable
. powers, and to assure to the multitude the quick attainment
. of unsurpassed enlightenment.
.
. “Now, good men, would you like to hear about the ten
. inconceivable benefits and powers that THIS SUTRA possesses?”
.
. Bodhisattva Great Adornment said, “Please, we wish very
. much to hear!”
.
. The Buddha said: “Good men, the first is that THIS SUTRA
. can cause bodhisattvas who have not yet conceived the
. desire for enlightenment to conceive such a desire. It can
. cause those who are without compassion or benevolence to
. nurture compassionate minds. It can cause those who delight
. in killing and slaughter to nurture minds of great pity. It
. can cause those filled with envy and jealousy to nurture
. minds of joyful acceptance. It can cause those who are
. begrudging and attached to things to nurture minds capable
. of relinquishing. It can cause those who are close-fisted
. and greedy to nurture minds of almsgiving. It can cause
. those of abundant arrogance and pride to nurture minds that
. uphold the precepts. It can cause those much given to wrath
. and anger to nurture forbearing minds. It can cause those
. who are indolent and lazy to nurture minds of diligence. It
. can cause those who are scatterbrained and disordered to
. nurture minds devoted to meditation. It can cause those
. with much ignorance and folly to nurture minds of wisdom.
. It can cause those who are not yet capable of saving others
. to nurture minds set upon saving others. It can cause those
. who practice the ten evil acts to nurture minds devoted to
. the ten good acts. It can cause those who delight too much
. in the conditioned to strive for minds fixed on the
. unconditioned. It can cause those whose minds are given to
. regression to cultivate minds of non-regression. It can
. cause those given to outflows to nurture minds free of
. outflows. It can cause those with many earthly desires to
. nurture minds that cleanse and extinguish such desires.
.
. “Good men, this is called the first benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, the second inconceivable benefit and power of
. THIS SUTRA is this: If living beings are able to hear THIS
. SUTRA, though they hear only one recitation, one verse, or
. just one line, they will be able to comprehend and master
. hundreds, thousands, millions of meanings, so many that
. although immeasurable numbers of kalpas should pass, they
. would never be able to finish expounding the teaching they
. have received and uphold. Why? Because the meanings of this
. teaching are immeasurable.
.
. “Good men, THIS SUTRA may be likened to a single seed from
. which grow hundreds, thousands, ten thousands of other
. seeds, and from each of these seeds in turn grow more seeds
. numbering in the hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, so
. that they keep on increasing in this way until they become
. immeasurable. THIS SUTRA is like this. From a single Law
. grow hundreds and thousands of meanings, and from each of
. those hundreds and thousands in turn grow more, numbering
. in the hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, so that they
. keep on increasing in this way until there are an
. immeasurable, boundless number of meanings. That is why
. THIS SUTRA is called Immeasurable Meanings.
.
. “Good men, this is called the second benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, the third inconceivable benefit and power of
. THIS SUTRA is this: If living beings are able to hear THIS
. SUTRA, though they hear only one recitation, one verse, or
. just one line, and are thereby able to comprehend and
. master hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions of
. meanings, then although they have earthly desires, it will
. be as though they were free of earthly desires, and they
. will go in and out of the realm of birth and death without
. thoughts of fear or dread. Toward living beings they will
. acquire minds of pity and tenderness, and they will
. confront all phenomena with brave and stalwart thoughts.
.
. “They will be like a young man of great strength who can
. lift and hold aloft various heavy objects. The person who
. upholds THIS SUTRA will in like manner be able to shoulder
. the weighty treasure of unsurpassed enlightenment and bear
. living beings on his back, carrying them out of the path of
. birth and death.
.
. “Even before he is capable of saving himself he will be
. capable of saving others. He will be like a ship’s captain
. whose body is afflicted with grave illness, whose four
. limbs fail to function properly, and who remains on this
. shore. But he has a sound and durable ship and can always
. explain to others the articles needed to get them over the
. water, so that by providing these he can insure their
. crossing. The person who upholds THIS SUTRA will be like
. this. Though he is afflicted with the body of one who
. dwells in the five realms, constantly beset by one hundred
. and eight illnesses, and though he remains on this shore,
. the shore of ignorance, aging, and death, yet he will
. possess this durable great vehicle sutra, Immeasurable
. Meanings, which explains how living beings can be saved and
. how, if one practices it as it directs, one can escape from
. birth and death.
.
. “Good men, this is called the third benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, the fourth inconceivable benefit and power of
. THIS SUTRA is this: If living beings are able to hear THIS
. SUTRA, though they hear only one recitation, one verse, or
. just one line, they will be filled with brave and stalwart
. thoughts. Though they have not yet saved themselves, they
. will be able to save others. They will become companions of
. the bodhisattvas, and the buddhas, the thus come ones, will
. at all times turn toward such persons when they expound the
. Law. And once these persons have heard it, they will be
. able to accept and uphold all of it, abide by it without
. violation, propagate it for the sake of others, and preach
. it widely in accordance with what is appropriate.
.
. “Good men, such persons will be like a prince newly born to
. the king of a country and his queen. When he is one day,
. two days, or seven days old; one month, two months, or
. seven months old; one year, two years, or seven years old,
. though he is not yet able to manage the affairs of state,
. already he is respected and looked up to by the ministers
. and the people. He is a companion to the sons of other
. great kings, and the king and queen love and dote on him
. and are forever talking of him. Why? Because he is still
. just a child.
.
. “Good men, the person who upholds THIS SUTRA will be like
. this. The buddhas, who are the king, and the sutra, which
. is the queen, join together in harmony to give birth to
. this bodhisattva son. If the bodhisattva is able to hear
. THIS SUTRA, whether it is one line or one verse, one
. repetition, two repetitions, ten, a hundred, a thousand,
. ten thousand, or immeasurable, countless repetitions equal
. to the sands of a million ten thousand Ganges Rivers,
. though he cannot fully grasp the extent of its truth, and
. though he cannot make the lands of the major world system
. quake and tremble or with brahma sounds like the roll of
. thunder turn the great wheel of the Law, already he will be
. revered and looked up to by all the four kinds of believers
. and eight kinds of guardians, and he will have the great
. bodhisattvas for his companions. He will enter deeply into
. the secret Law of the buddhas and will be able to expound
. it without error or omission. He will be constantly guarded
. and kept in mind by the buddhas, who will pity and love
. him, favor and shelter him, because he is new in these
. studies.
.
. “Good men, this is called the fourth benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, the fifth inconceivable benefit and power of
. THIS SUTRA is this: If there are good men or good women
. who, while the Buddha is in the world or after he has
. passed into extinction, accept, uphold, read, recite, or
. copy this profound, unsurpassed great vehicle Immeasurable
. Meanings Sutra, then although such persons are still bound
. and encumbered by earthly desires, unable to remove
. themselves from the concerns of the ordinary individual,
. yet they will be able to manifest and show to others the
. way of the great bodhisattva. They will be able to expand a
. single day so that it covers a hundred kalpas, or compress
. a hundred kalpas into a single day, causing other living
. beings to rejoice and give wholehearted assent [to their
. words].
.
. “Good men, these good men and good women will be like
. little dragons who, only seven days after they are born,
. are already able to make clouds rise up and rain to fall.
.
. “Good men, this is called the fifth benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, the sixth inconceivable benefit and power of
. THIS SUTRA is this: If good men or good women, while the
. Buddha is in the world or after he has passed into
. extinction, accept, uphold, read, or recite THIS SUTRA,
. then although they are still encumbered by earthly desires,
. they will be able to preach the Law for living beings and
. enable them to break away from earthly desires, from the
. realm of birth and death, and to cut off all suffering.
. Once living beings have heard them, they will carry out
. religious practice, gaining the doctrines, gaining various
. stages, and gaining the ways, just the same as if they had
. been taught by the Buddha, the thus come one.
.
. “Suppose, for example, there is a prince who, although
. still just a boy, is entrusted with the management of
. affairs of state because the king is abroad on a journey or
. has been seized by illness. If at that time the prince
. follows the king’s orders and abides by the law in issuing
. directives to the various clerks and government officials,
. guiding the flow of affairs in a proper manner, then each
. of the people of the state will comply with the spirit of
. his instructions, and the order that prevails will be like
. that when the king himself is in charge.
.
. “The good men and good women who uphold THIS SUTRA will be
. the same as this. Whether the Buddha is in the world or has
. passed into extinction, if these good men, though they have
. not yet been able to reach the stage of immobility, follow
. the Buddha’s methods of preaching and giving instruction
. when they expound the Law, then once living beings have
. heard them and single-mindedly applied themselves to
. practice, they will be able to cut off earthly desires,
. gain the doctrines, gain various stages, and gain the ways.
.
. “Good men, this is called the sixth benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, the seventh inconceivable benefit and power of
. THIS SUTRA is this: If good men or good women, while the
. Buddha is in the world or after he has passed into
. extinction, are able to hear THIS SUTRA and rejoice and put
. faith and hope in it, greeting it as something rare; if
. they accept, uphold, read, recite, copy, explain, preach,
. and practice it as it directs, conceiving a desire for
. enlightenment, cultivating good roots, nurturing minds of
. great compassion, and desiring to save all living beings
. from their sufferings, then although they have not yet been
. able to practice the six paramitas, the six paramitas will
. of themselves appear before them. In their present bodies
. they will be able to gain the truth of birthlessness, their
. earthly desires and their sufferings of birth and death
. will in one moment be cast off and destroyed, and they will
. ascend to the seventh stage of the bodhisattva.
.
. “Suppose, for example, there is a stalwart hero who wipes
. out the king’s enemies. Once these enemies have been
. destroyed, the king rejoices greatly and takes half of his
. kingdom and presents it all to the hero as a fief. The good
. men and good women who uphold THIS SUTRA will be similar to
. this. They will be the bravest and most heroic of all
. practitioners. And though they do not seek for them, the
. six paramitas, those treasures of the Law, will come to
. them naturally. Their enemies, birth and death, will of
. themselves be scattered and destroyed, and they will be
. enlightened to the truth of birthlessness, which is like
. receiving half the buddha land in fief and its treasures as
. a gift to enjoy in tranquillity.
.
. “Good men, this is called the seventh benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, the eighth inconceivable benefit and power of
. THIS SUTRA is this: If there are good men or good women
. who, while the Buddha is in the world or after he has
. passed into extinction, are able to obtain THIS SUTRA, they
. will revere and put faith in it as though they were gazing
. upon the Buddha’s body, and will not let themselves treat
. it any differently. They will love and delight in THIS
. SUTRA, accept, uphold, read, recite, copy, and do obeisance
. to it, putting it into practice as the Law directs,
. strictly observing the precepts, firmly persevering,
. carrying out the paramita of almsgiving, cultivating
. profound pity and compassion, and preaching this
. unsurpassed great vehicle Immeasurable Meanings Sutra far
. and wide for the sake of others.
.
. “If there are persons who have never believed in the
. existence of sinfulness or blessing, then they will show
. them THIS SUTRA and, employing various kinds of expedient
. means, will convert them and prevail upon them to believe.
. Through the authority and power of the sutra, such persons
. will be able to develop minds of faith, abruptly changing
. their direction. And once having developed minds of faith,
. because they proceed with courage and diligence, they will
. be able to acquire the dignity, virtue, authority, and
. power of THIS SUTRA, to gain the ways, and to gain various
. stages.
.
. “Therefore these good men and women, because of the
. benefits they gain through being converted, will in their
. present forms as men and women be able to gain the truth of
. birthlessness, to gain the upper level, and to become
. companions of the bodhisattvas. Quickly they will be able
. to lead living beings to success, to purify the buddha
. land, and before long to gain unsurpassed enlightenment.
.
. “Good men, this is called the eighth benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, the ninth inconceivable benefit and power of
. THIS SUTRA is this: If there are good men or good women
. who, while the Buddha is in the world or after he has
. passed into extinction, are able to obtain THIS SUTRA, who
. leap with joy on having gained what they never had before,
. who accept, uphold, read, recite, copy, and offer alms to
. it and for the sake of the multitude, observing
. distinctions, expound and preach the message of THIS SUTRA
. far and wide, then in one instant they will be able to wipe
. out the lingering guilt and heavy obstacle of their deeds
. in former existences and to attain a state of purity.
. Thereafter they will acquire great eloquence, step by step
. adorn themselves with the paramitas, acquire various
. samadhis including the shuramgama samadhi, enter the great
. gate of the dharani teachings, gain the power of diligent
. effort, and quickly attain the highest levels. They will be
. skilled at dividing their bodies and producing emanations
. of themselves, dispatching them to the lands in the ten
. directions to rescue and save all living beings in the
. twenty-five realms of existence from their dire sufferings,
. enabling them all to gain emancipation. This is because the
. sutra possesses this power.
.
. “Good men, this is called the ninth benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, the tenth inconceivable benefit and power of
. THIS SUTRA is this: Suppose there are good men or good
. women who, while the Buddha is in the world or after he has
. passed into extinction, are able to obtain THIS SUTRA, and
. are filled with great joy, greeting it as something rare.
. After they themselves have accepted, upheld, read, recited,
. copied, offered alms, and put it into practice as it
. directs, they will also be able far and wide to encourage
. those in household life and those who have left such life
. to accept, uphold, read, recite, copy, offer alms, explain,
. and preach the sutra and practice it as the Law directs.
. Because they have the power to cause others to practice
. THIS SUTRA, others will gain the ways and gain various
. stages. All this will come from the fact that these good
. men and good women are moved to compassion and have the
. power to convert others diligently. As a result, these good
. men and good women in their present bodies will be able to
. gain immeasurable dharani teachings.
.
. “While they are still at the stage of ordinary persons,
. while they are just beginning, they will find themselves
. naturally capable of committing themselves to countless
. asamkhyas of broad resolutions and great vows,
. demonstrating profound determination to save all living
. beings, exercising great compassion, rescuing multitudes
. far and wide from their sufferings, gathering to themselves
. a mass of good roots, and bringing enrichment and benefit
. to all. They will expound the moisture of the Law, pouring
. it everywhere to water the dry and barren places. They will
. show themselves able to dispense the medicine of the Law to
. living beings, bringing peace and happiness to all.
. Gradually they will come forth and ascend until they reside
. at the stage of the clouds of the Law. The moisture of
. their favor will water all places; nothing will be outside
. their compassion. They will encompass all living beings who
. suffer, causing them to enter upon the buddha path. And
. because of all this, these people will before long gain
. supreme perfect enlightenment.
.
. “Good men, this is called the tenth benefit and
. inconceivable power of THIS SUTRA.
.
. “Good men, this unsurpassed great vehicle Immeasurable
. Meanings Sutra fully possesses great and marvelous
. supernatural powers such as these. It is worthy of
. unsurpassed veneration, for it can enable ordinary persons
. all to attain the stage of sage; leaving forever the realm
. of birth and death, they will all gain freedom. Therefore
. THIS SUTRA is called Immeasurable Meanings. It can cause
. all living beings who are still at the level of ordinary
. persons to put forth immeasurable shoots that will grow
. into the way of the bodhisattva, to plant trees of benefits
. that will flourish, put out branches, and spread. Therefore
. THIS SUTRA is dubbed the possessor of inconceivable
. benefits and power.”
.
. At that time the bodhisattva mahasattva Great Adornment and
. the others of the eighty thousand bodhisattvas mahasattva,
. speaking in a single voice addressed the Buddha, saying:
. “World-Honored One, as the Buddha has preached, this
. profound, subtle, wonderful, unsurpassed great vehicle
. Immeasurable Meanings Sutra is true and correct in word and
. principle, worthy of unsurpassed veneration. It is guarded
. and protected by all the buddhas of the three existences.
. There is no devil host, no congregation of non-Buddhist
. believers who can invade it, nor can it be destroyed by any
. erroneous views or accidents of birth and death.
.
. “Thus it is that THIS SUTRA possesses ten benefits and
. inconceivable powers such as have been described. It brings
. great enrichment and benefit to all living beings
. immeasurable in number. It causes all bodhisattvas
. mahasattva each one to gain the samadhi of immeasurable
. meanings. Or perhaps they will gain hundreds and thousands
. of dharani teachings, or they will be able to gain the
. various levels and various types of cognition of the
. bodhisattva, or they will gain the four-way and four-stage
. enlightenment of the cause-awakened one and the arhat. The
. world-honored one in his compassion and mercy has been
. pleased to preach the Law for us in this way, enabling us
. to gain the great profits of the Law. This is most
. wonderful, something never known before. The compassion and
. favor of the world-honored one is indeed difficult to repay!”
.
. When they had finished speaking these words, the major
. world system quaked and trembled in six different ways.
. From the sky there rained down various kinds of heavenly
. flowers, heavenly utpala flowers, padma flowers, kumuda
. flowers, pundarika flowers. There also rained down
. countless varieties of heavenly incense, heavenly robes,
. heavenly necklaces, and priceless heavenly jewels that came
. tumbling and turning through the air and descended as
. offerings to the Buddha and the great assembly of
. bodhisattvas and voice-hearers. Heavenly vessels from
. heavenly kitchens were heaped and overflowing with a
. hundred heavenly flavors; merely observing their forms and
. smelling their aromas was enough to make one feel
. satisfied. Heavenly streamers, heavenly banners, heavenly
. canopies, and wonderful heavenly playthings were ranged
. here and there, heavenly musical instruments played, and
. songs were sung to praise the Buddha.
.
. Then in the eastern region the buddha worlds numerous as
. Ganges sands also quaked and trembled in six different
. ways, raining down heavenly flowers, heavenly incense,
. heavenly robes, heavenly necklaces, priceless heavenly
. jewels, heavenly vessels from heavenly kitchens with a
. hundred heavenly flavors, so that observing their forms and
. smelling their aromas was enough to make one feel
. satisfied. Heavenly streamers, heavenly banners, heavenly
. canopies, and wonderful heavenly playthings were ranged
. here and there, heavenly musical instruments played, and
. songs were sung in praise of the buddhas and the great
. assemblies of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers there, and the
. same occurred in the southern, western, and northern
. regions, in the four intermediate directions, and in the
. upper and lower regions.
.
. At that time the Buddha addressed the bodhisattva
. mahasattva Great Adornment and the others of the eighty
. thousand bodhisattvas mahasattva, saying: “You should
. approach THIS SUTRA with profound feelings of respect,
. practice it as the Law directs, convert all beings far and
. wide, and propagate it with a diligent mind. At all times
. be industrious in its cause, guard it day and night, and
. enable living beings, each one of them, to enjoy the
. profits of the Law. You will then in truth be showing great
. compassion and great pity. Use the transcendental power of
. your vows to guard and protect THIS SUTRA, and do not let
. it be impeded by doubt. In the time given you, you must
. without fail cause it to spread throughout Jambudvipa,
. making certain that all living beings are able to see and
. hear it, to read, recite, copy, and offer alms to it. Then
. as a result you yourselves will be able quickly to gain
. supreme perfect enlightenment.”
.
. At that time the bodhisattva mahasattva Great Adornment and
. the others of the eighty thousand bodhisattvas mahasattva
. rose from their seats and proceeded to where the Buddha
. was. They bowed their heads to the ground in obeisance
. before the Buddha’s feet and circled around him a hundred
. thousand times. Then they advanced, knelt on one knee, and
. all blending their voices in unison, spoke to the Buddha,
. saying: “World-Honored One, we have been fortunate enough
. to receive the compassion and mercy of the world-honored
. one, who for our sake has preached this profound, subtle,
. wonderful, unsurpassed great vehicle Immeasurable Meanings
. Sutra. Respectfully we accept the Buddha’s charge. After
. the thus come one has passed into extinction, we will
. propagate THIS SUTRA far and wide, causing all beings
. everywhere to accept, uphold, read, recite, copy, and offer
. alms to it. We beg you to have no concern or fret on that
. account. We will employ the power of our vows to enable all
. living beings everywhere to see, hear, read, recite, copy,
. and offer alms to THIS SUTRA, and to gain the sutra’s
. marvelous supernatural blessings.”

In spite of the fact that I think you are wrong, I do not means this as criticism of you, Iain, remembering the immortal words of Bodhisattva Never Disparaging:

“I have profound reverence for you, I would never dare treat you with disparagement or arrogance. Why? Because you are all practicing the bodhisattva way and are certain to attain Buddhahood.”

I don't know what this has to do with a change in doctrine in the SGI, but I'm sure you will explain that.

-Chas.

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Chas. Dec 27, 2015 8:21 AM

Oh, and happy holiday! I hope you and yours are doing well.

-Chas.

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***@gmail.com Dec 28, 2015 4:21 AM
[3 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]

Thanks Chas and likewise. My holiday has been filled with good people and good vibes. Truely I am blessed in this regard as I hope you are also. But the world is still a difficult place and many are not so fortunate, my enjoyment is tempered by this fact.

The change in doctrine should be obvious from the thread. I presented a like for like, side by side comparison of Mr Ikeda's lectures on the same gosho, one in 1979 the other in 2009 to support my assertion that Gohonzon had been de-emphasised and replaced by an emphasis on the mentor-disciple relationship. I did thus because you disputed my assertion. You did not address my comparison directly but made the statement to the effect that the change can be explained by learning since the SGI split with the priesthood (and so presumably legitimate). This is the change in doctrine. To stop emphasising Gohonzon and trying to develop correct faith in it as a means to enlightenment and instead emphasise the mentor-disciple relationship and develop a correct relationship with the mentor as a means to enlightenment is a fundamental change of doctrine. Such a change is not legitimate in terms of Nichiren's teaching nor in terms of SGI teaching of that earlier period. It cannot be explained away by claiming it is learning acquisition since the priesthood split. It is just wrong in terms of the two criteria I set out above.

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Chas. Dec 28, 2015 7:19 AM
Post by Chas.
Thanks Chas and likewise. [Snip]
The change in doctrine should be obvious [Snip]
You are inserting another topic again, instead of dealing with my refutation of your claim that the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra is provisional: it is not and you are wrong about that.

The Lotus Sutra is the highest teaching, both complete and final.

The accompanying sutras are concurrent with the Lotus Sutra, and the Nirvana Sutra is after the Lotus Sutra. None of those are provisional and therefore candidates for discarding.

Before means "preceding the beginning of" and not "concurrent with".

"I have profound reverence for you, I would never dare treat you with disparagement or arrogance. Why? Because you are all practicing the bodhisattva way and are certain to attain Buddhahood." - Bodhisattva Never Disparaging.

-Chas.
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***@gmail.com Dec 28, 2015 9:07 AM
[3 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]

I answered the point on provisional/true in the other thread and I did not 'change' topic. Read your own posts Chas, you asked about the change of doctrine, so I answered that.

You are conflating provisional with discarding. Again you make the same error. The two are not synonymous but I can see why you might do that. Again, this comes down to mixing frames.

With regard to before and after versus concurrent, it simply isn't relevant. Even if Immeasurable Meanings were preached at the same time as the great Law is expounded, it makes no difference. The key point is that it is a separate entity and in being so, it does not teach or reveal the great Law. That is why it is inferior, the timing of its preaching or whether or not it is referred in the Sutra, is if no consequence.

In so many of these exchanges, you argue like a dog refusing to let go of its bone, only to have it finally prised from your jaws with incontrovertible evidence, then you run off to the next bone to pick. When questioned on the non response to the proof, you disemble, play dumb or attempt to distract.

It's not hard Chas, just read the Gosho and chant sincerely about it. Quoting isn't the same as studying. What I can't understand is that people of my generation of SGI were taught to do that and that remained so until about mid 2000's, so how comes you weren't?

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***@gmail.com Dec 28, 2015 10:59 AM
[3 days until Iain's secret departure from the SGI.]
[And here is where Iain makes a final connection to the Mentor before departing the SGI.]

Against my better judgment, I'll throw you a bone Chas, this is probably a good place to start in the Gosho to understand the relative merits of each Sutra and the collection of Immeasurable Meanings, Lotus & Nirvana sutras.

In the first paragraph of the quote below, Nichiren makes the distinction between the three Sutras mentioned above and all other sutras.

In the second paragraph, he makes distinctions between these three sutras. Note that Nichiren is treating each sutra as a distinct entity. Note also that he reserves the highest place for the Lotus Sutra and note his reasons for doing so. So yes, Immeasurable Meanings is Ghee but no, it is not the Lotus Sutra, it is inferior to the latter and so provisional in terms of the latter. Should it be discarded? No but then again it is not necessary for the aims of the Lotus Sutra to be achieved. The Gosho quote below should also help you understand this point.

Put another way, if you were escaping a burning building and you could take one of these three Sutras with you but only one because you could not carry more than one, which would you take with you? There is only one right answer in terms of Nichiren's teachings. More importantly, why would you make that choice, because Nichiren told you too? Or because of the reason Miao-Lo gives below?


King Rinda

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/136#para-4


"[Among all the Buddhist teachings] the Āgama sutras may be compared to the flavor of milk; the Meditation and the other sutras of the Correct and Equal period may be compared to the flavor of cream; the Wisdom sutras may be compared to the flavor of curdled milk; the Flower Garland Sutra may be compared to the flavor of butter; and the Immeasurable Meanings, Lotus, and Nirvana sutras may be compared to the flavor of ghee.

Again, if the Nirvana Sutra is compared to the flavor of ghee, then the Lotus Sutra may be compared to a lord who rules over the five flavors. Thus the Great Teacher Miao-lo stated: “If we discuss the matter from the point of view of the doctrines taught, then the Lotus Sutra stands as the true lord of all the teachings, since it alone preaches ‘opening the provisional and revealing the distant.’ This is the reason that it alone is permitted the word myō, or ‘wonderful’ [in its title].”1 He also said, “Therefore, we understand that the Lotus Sutra is the true lord of the ghee.”

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Finally, Iain admits his error, without really understanding the extent of it.

He has doggedly clung to labelling the introductory Immeasurable Means sutra of the Lotus Sutra as provisional, which implies that one of the foundations of the Lotus Sutra is discardable, even arguing that you could leave it to burn.

So many things in the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, which is concurrently preached inside the Lotus Sutra, are only preached in the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, that it is difficult to even imagine what Iain considers.

One can summarize the extent of the damage done, by imagining having a tooth knocked out and continuing to smile with a gap-toothed grin. It is the hole, the missing tooth that everyone expects to see that is noticed, and not the smile.

What would happen in Chapter one of the Lotus Sutra when the Buddha starts to preach the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra and then stands there speechless for the good part of an hour? I wouldn't like to consider it.

However, even after admitting his mistake: "I'll throw you a bone Chas", Iain persists in this infamy as he leaves the SGI to start his brand new Iain Buddhism, collecting his brand new Iain Sangha, with himself as brand neww Iain Sensei, closely studying the accreted phrases of his brand new Hurvitz translation of the Lotus Sutra. All brand new!

-Chas.
Katie Higgins
2016-11-23 22:46:52 UTC
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A recap of America's Presidential Election calls into stark relief the uncanny appeal of narcissists-. Here is a summary of the similarities between "The BODY (Ikeda) and The SHADOW (Trump)-- for those who have faith in Myoho-renge-kyo and who read and study Nichiren's teachings directly.
In a New Yorker piece, Schwartz described a man unable to focus for any period of time and driven by a compulsive need for more money and more attention, to the point of reckless behavior.
If he were writing the book today, he said, it would be called The Sociopath.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wealth-myth_us_57b09a63e4b007c36e4f1bff
"“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Schwartz told the New Yorker. “
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/art-of-the-deal-trump_us_578ce629e4b0a0ae97c2aa9b
How many *warning signs* have been ignored regarding Daiskau Ikeda's narcissism?
"Polly Toynbee (who seems to lack any basic sympathy for things Japanese) said of Ikeda in a 1995 BBC broadcast (quoted here): “I think it would be hard to imagine a less spiritual man. […] A powerful megalomania; we got this aura of power from him that was extremely alarming. We then went, on another day with him, to some huge Nuremberg-style rally in a stadium, where everything was to the greater worship of him.” Arnold Toynbee, on the other hand, respected Ikeda and is almost deferential to him.”
https://davidderrick.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/soka-gakkai-and-polly-toynbee/
"He is also known as an arrogant and mean-spirited man who taunts Gakkai executives at meetings. Yet his combination of religious aura and political clout has proved devastatingly successful.”
https://culteducation.com/group/940-soka-gakkai/7670-daisaku-ikeda-statesman-billionaire-god-.html
"Ikeda's natural instinct for power (manifested from the Id) became uncontrollable long, long ago, and is thoroughly documented in the pages of this sub and on dozens and dozens of websites all around the net.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/2n4tgw/did_ikedas_hidden_powerlust_give_birth_to_his/
"This is the problem all dictators and 1%ers face. The richer and more powerful you become, the more people seek to take advantage of you, to use you for their own benefit. And for a dictator like Ikeda, those closest to him are going to be scheming to take over, exactly the same way Ikeda did when he was close to Toda. Ikeda even locked himself in Toda's room as Toda lay dying, so no one else could get in or observe. And he didn't open the door until Toda was good and dead. Did Ikeda speed up the process? Toda was a raging alcoholic who smoked like a chimney. He was clearly in bad shape already, no matter how you sliced it, and he'd been sick for a while. Did Ikeda get tired of waiting for nature to run its course?”
https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/3b1cgj/ikeda_has_no_friends/
Will Ikeda's ghost writers come forward in the same spirit of caring about *the people* that was shown by Tony Schwartz?
While over half of Americans are organizing their political strategies for preventing Pres. Elect Donald Trump from enacting his campaign promises around immigration, censoring the press and radically changing out foreign and global trade policies, I think there is an even more relevant task at hand for practitioners of Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism-- to rid our country of this ONE evil, SGIkeda-USA.
Namu-Myoho-Renge-Kyo
Best~
~Katie
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by popular demand :-)

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~Katie
Chas.
2016-11-24 05:28:54 UTC
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Iain needs to fear slander of the Law, as Nichiren Daishonin and his followers do +

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/5DLc_yCbSgA/gowoHAHtFQAJ
On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 11:18:32 AM UTC-8, ***@gmail.com wrote:
||| Here's one for you Chas..."BOO!"...
|||
||| I know I shouldn't do that to people wracked with
||| phobias (irrational fears), who are scared of their own
||| shadow (not to mention, hell, yakuza, martial arts,
||| alternative healing arts, most movies, porn stars,
||| anything that could possibly touched toxic Zen, recycling
||| - probably - see the toxic Zen point) but I can't resist.
|||
||| There is a great way to overcome those phobias apart
||| from some good professional intervention. I know of a
||| really good practice that reliably brings forth the
||| qualities of wisdom, courage and compassion...not to
||| mention abundant life-force.
|||
||| Let me know if you're interested. It's not hard to
||| learn, can be bit difficult to carry on, like anything -
||| gym, diet, etc. etc.
|||
||| But do watch out for the cowboys, they'll have you
||| thinking you need to buy it and that you have to do extra
||| things for it to work AND they don't teach it right - well
||| they have to keep adding things to convince you theirs is
||| unique and change the formula to keep you hooked and keep
||| it profitable.
|||
||| It's - like soap powder really, you end up with less
||| active ingredient, mixed with with lots of useless crap
||| and you end up paying through the nose - advertising and
||| marketing costs.
|||
||| In some cases those additives are harmful, just like the
||| bakers additives in years gone by or the modern
||| equivalents that have made it into diets worldwide
||| especially in USA and UK...
|||
||| But you don't need those branded spiritual "products",
||| the original is simple, cheap and much more effective,
||| ditch the personal trainer, get a better results and save
||| yourself lots of money and harm.
|||
||| What about spiritual humanism, helping suffering people?
||| Oh well if you want to join an organisation that's
||| focussed on that well there are lots of aid agencies but
||| be careful, charities and "humanitarian" orgs. in
||| particular have a reputation for using this as a cover.
|||
||| You want to check out their finances in particular and
||| their mission statement. There should be independent
||| scrutiny and evidence on how effective they are at
||| achieving their goals and maximising use of their
||| donations. They should have good governance and financial
||| transparency and control.
|||
||| For example, a few have been found to be diverting funds
||| away from their primary goals and the people they're
||| supposed to be helping. In such orgs, a high percentage is
||| spent on administration costs, chief executive and senior
||| leaders salaries, plush offices, unnecessary technology
||| advertising, unnecessary real estate acquisition, vanity
||| projects, consultant costs, political lobbying,
||| entertaining etc.
|||
||| That leaves little to actually help the people they are
||| supposed to be helping or achieve the mission they are
||| supposed to be focused on.
|||
||| Three religious organisations provide a comparison to
||| SGI and a prompt for further research. SGI is by no means
||| the only player in this spiritual arena that espouses the
||| warm and fluffy values that it pushes forward. It was
||| distinct in its faith, belief in Gohonzon and Daimoku but
||| it seems not the quite understand what it teaches it
||| believes anymore or at least keeps changing it. Current
||| flavour of the month is 'mentor-disciple'
|||
||| Arguably there are other organisations that are much
||| more effective and from whom SGI may have borrowed.
|||
|||
||| The Quakers seem to have a good rep.
|||
||| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers
|||
||| Originally from the UK, they seem to keep it small in an
||| organisational sense but are very good at putting their
||| beliefs into action, they've been doing it well for
||| centuries. The SGI deems to have borrowed quite a lot of
||| their approach, turned it into rhetoric but hasn't modeled
||| their organisation along Quaker lines and their sense of
||| equality of faith either.
|||
||| There's Tzu Chi, seems very good at actually helping
||| people in crisis and responding to disasters.
|||
||| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzu_Chi
|||
||| Started in the 60's from a sewing circle of 6 people.
||| Also Lotus Sutra based but non Nichiren. Some
||| controversies.
|||
||| In the Nichiren line there's Rissho Kosei Kai. They
||| chant Daimoku but it's a different focus.
|||
||| Established before Mr Toda's Nichiren Shoshu Soka
||| Gakkai, it's entirely possible that RKK may have provided
||| NSSG (SGI) with some of the templates that the latter then
||| adopted for its organisational activities/structure. The
||| similarities are stiking. Equally, RKK may have learned
||| from NSSG (SGI). It's likely the two nay have learned
||| from each other but RKK seems to have attracted less
||| critical press, be generally well-regarded and better at
||| delivering practical help.
|||
||| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risshō_Kōsei_Kai
|||
||| Is very good on interfaith, seems quite good on
||| campaigning to end poverty and hunger, some controversies
||| but generally seems to be effective and we'll thought of.
||| Has a similar discussion meeting type thing going on. Not
||| sure about financial transparency though. Might be worth
||| futher checking out.

A phobia is a psychological condition that you are uncredited to diagnose, that being an unreasonable fear of something that can only be feared by an irrational person.

You think you are making light of me (and WHO would care about THAT), but in fact you are making light of Nichiren Daishonin and the Lotus Sutra.

Iain, you should fear slander of the Law more than fearing attack or disapproval from the authorities, or from your peer group, or from the risk of death itself. Nichiren speaks volumes on this one topic, and in fact he never fails to warn his followers and whomever he is writing to, with regards to fearing slander of the Law. I will highlight the key points in UPPERCASE, so that you won't miss them, this time.

This on evil friends and mad elephants, from "On the Protection of the Nation", WND II

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/181#para-347
... Therefore the Nirvana Sutra states: “Bodhisattvas and
... mahāsattvas, have no fear of mad elephants. WHAT YOU SHOULD
... FEAR ARE EVIL FRIENDS! WHY? BECAUSE A MAD ELEPHANT CAN ONLY
... DESTROY YOUR BODY; IT CANNOT DESTROY YOUR MIND. BUT AN EVIL
... FRIEND CAN DESTROY BOTH BODY AND MIND. A MAD ELEPHANT CAN
... DESTROY ONLY A SINGLE BODY, BUT AN EVIL FRIEND CAN DESTROY
... COUNTLESS GOOD BODIES AND COUNTLESS GOOD MINDS. A MAD
... ELEPHANT MERELY DESTROYS AN IMPURE, STINKING BODY, BUT AN
... EVIL FRIEND CAN DESTROY BOTH PURE BODY AND PURE MIND. A MAD
... ELEPHANT CAN DESTROY THE PHYSICAL BODY, BUT AN EVIL FRIEND
... DESTROYS THE DHARMA BODY. EVEN IF YOU ARE KILLED BY A MAD
... ELEPHANT, YOU WILL NOT FALL INTO THE THREE EVIL PATHS. BUT
... IF YOU ARE KILLED BY AN EVIL FRIEND, YOU ARE CERTAIN TO
... FALL INTO THEM. A MAD ELEPHANT IS MERELY AN ENEMY OF YOUR
... BODY, BUT AN EVIL FRIEND IS AN ENEMY OF THE GOOD LAW.
... THEREFORE, BODHISATTVAS, YOU SHOULD AT ALL TIMES KEEP FAR
... AWAY FROM EVIL FRIENDS.”

And also this on the same topic, from "Reply to Hoshina Gōrō Tarō", WND I

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/15#para-16

... Yet it should be known that, while the non-Buddhist
... practitioners possessed such impressive powers, they could
... not escape the flames of the Avīchi hell, not to mention
... those with only trivial powers of transformation. Even
... less can slanderers of the great vehicle avoid this fate.
... The priests of the True Word school are evil friends to
... all living beings. Avoid them; fear them. The Buddha
... states: “Have no fear of mad elephants. WHAT YOU SHOULD
... FEAR ARE EVIL FRIENDS! Why? Because a mad elephant can
... only destroy your body; it cannot destroy your mind. But
... an evil friend can destroy both body and mind. A mad
... elephant can destroy only a single body, but an evil
... friend can destroy countless bodies and countless minds. A
... mad elephant merely destroys an impure, stinking body, but
... an evil friend can destroy both pure body and pure mind. A
... mad elephant can destroy the physical body, but an evil
... friend destroys the Dharma body. Even if you are killed by
... a mad elephant, you will not fall into the three evil
... paths. But if you are killed by an evil friend, you are
... certain to fall into them. A mad elephant is merely an
... enemy of your body, but an evil friend is an enemy of the
... good Law.” THEREFORE, EVEN MORE THAN VENOMOUS SERPENTS
... OR MALEVOLENT DEMONS, ONE SHOULD FEAR THE EVIL FRIENDS WHO
... FOLLOW KŌBŌ, SHAN-TAO, AND HŌNEN. THIS IS JUST A BRIEF
... CLARIFICATION OF THE ERROR OF HOLDING DISTORTED VIEWS.

And then also this, from "What It Means to Slander the Law", WND II

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/188#para-84

... Answer: The various sutras say that one should shun the
... company of women, but I would point to the passage in the
... Nirvana Sutra, which the Buddha preached in the grove of
... sal trees just before his death: “Bodhisattvas! Though you
... can perceive the countless faults and ailings that attach
... to and beset your bodies, because you have made up your
... minds to accept and abide by the Nirvana Sutra, it will
... guide and protect you and will not cause you to be
... lacking. Bodhisattvas, have no fear of mad elephants. WHAT
... YOU SHOULD FEAR ARE EVIL FRIENDS! WHY? BECAUSE A MAD
... ELEPHANT CAN ONLY DESTROY YOUR BODY; IT CANNOT DESTROY
... YOUR MIND. BUT AN EVIL FRIEND CAN DESTROY BOTH BODY AND
... MIND. A MAD ELEPHANT CAN DESTROY ONLY A SINGLE BODY, BUT
... AN EVIL FRIEND CAN DESTROY COUNTLESS GOOD BODIES AND
... COUNTLESS GOOD MINDS. . . . EVEN IF YOU ARE KILLED BY A
... MAD ELEPHANT, YOU WILL NOT FALL INTO THE THREE EVIL PATHS.
... BUT IF YOU ARE KILLED BY AN EVIL FRIEND, YOU ARE CERTAIN
... TO FALL INTO THEM.”
...
... The meaning of this passage is that, if one cares about
... the next life, ONE SHOULD FEAR ALL KINDS OF CAUSES THAT
... LEAD TO REBIRTH IN THE EVIL PATHS. BUT EVEN MORE THAN SUCH
... CAUSES, ONE SHOULD FEAR EVIL FRIENDS OR TEACHERS.

In this passage Nichiren Daishonin goes into much detail describing precisely how the evil friending process works with deception and flattery, etc. Seems reminiscent of someone in this forum, yes?

From "On Reciting the Daimoku of the Lotus Sutra", WND II

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/186#para-42
... Therefore the “Encouraging Devotion” chapter reads: “In a
... muddied kalpa, in an evil age there will be many things to
... fear. Evil demons will take possession of others and
... through them curse, revile, and heap shame on us. . . .
... [The evil monks of that muddied age], failing to understand
... the Buddha’s expedient means, how he preaches the Law in
... accordance with what is appropriate . . .” This passage
... means that, in that muddied and evil age, monks will fail
... to understand that the teachings they put their faith in
... are no more than an expedient means preached by the Buddha
... in accordance with what is appropriate. Thus when persons
... appear who clearly distinguish between the provisional
... teachings and the true teaching, these monks will revile
... them and attempt to refute their arguments. This is all
... because evil demons have taken possession of them, although
... they are not aware that this has happened.
...
... THEREFORE, WHAT THE UNINFORMED PEOPLE OF THIS LATTER AGE
... SHOULD MOST FEAR ARE NOT SWORDS AND STAVES OR TIGERS AND
... WOLVES, OR PERSONS WHO COMMIT THE TEN EVIL ACTS OR THE FIVE
... CARDINAL SINS, BUT RATHER THOSE MONKS WHO ARE EQUIPPED WITH
... THREE ROBES AND ONE BEGGING BOWL, THOSE BENIGHTED
... PRACTITIONERS OF ZEN, AND THE LAY BELIEVERS WHO ESTEEM
... MONKS WHO FOLLOW THE PROVISIONAL TEACHINGS AND HATE THOSE
... WHO PRACTICE THE TRUE TEACHING.
...
... For this reason, the twenty-second volume of the Nirvana
... Sutra states: “Have no fear of mad elephants. WHAT YOU
... SHOULD FEAR ARE EVIL FRIENDS! WHY? BECAUSE A MAD ELEPHANT
... CAN ONLY DESTROY YOUR BODY; IT CANNOT DESTROY YOUR MIND.
... BUT AN EVIL FRIEND CAN DESTROY BOTH BODY AND MIND. . . .
... EVEN IF YOU ARE KILLED BY A MAD ELEPHANT, YOU WILL NOT FALL
... INTO THE THREE EVIL PATHS. BUT IF YOU ARE KILLED BY AN EVIL
... FRIEND, YOU ARE CERTAIN TO FALL INTO THEM.”
...
... Regarding the meaning of this sutra passage, the Great
... Teacher Chang-an says: “MAD ELEPHANTS MERELY INFLICT HARM
... ON OTHERS; THEY DO NOT AROUSE EVIL IN PEOPLE’S MINDS. BUT
... EVIL FRIENDS EMPLOY ENTICING WORDS, DECEPTION AND FLATTERY,
... CLEVER SPEECH AND AN AFFABLE MANNER, AND IN THIS WAY CAUSE
... OTHERS TO DO EVIL. AND IN LEADING THEM TO DO EVIL, THEY
... ARE DESTROYING THE GOOD MINDS THAT ARE IN THEM. TO DESTROY
... GOOD MINDS IS TO KILL PEOPLE, THAT IS, TO CAUSE THEM TO
... FALL INTO HELL.”
...
... THIS PASSAGE OF COMMENTARY MEANS THAT EVIL FRIENDS WILL
... EMPLOY ENTICING WORDS, DECEPTION AND FLATTERY AND SPEAK IN
... A CLEVER MANNER, THEREBY GAINING CONTROL OVER THE MINDS OF
... IGNORANT AND UNINFORMED PEOPLE AND DESTROYING THE GOOD
... MINDS THAT ARE IN THEM. AND THE PASSAGE FROM THE NIRVANA
... SUTRA IS MEANT TO WARN US THAT PERSONS WHO SLANDER THE LAW
... AND ARE ICCHANTIKAS ARE MORE TO BE FEARED THAN THOSE WHO
... COMMIT THE TEN EVIL ACTS OR THE FIVE CARDINAL SINS. THE
... TERM “ICCHANTIKA” REFERS TO THOSE WHO SPEAK EVIL OF THE
... LOTUS AND NIRVANA SUTRAS.

In the Letter to Niike, WND I, Nichiren Daishonin warns us that simply associating with slanderers: "those with impure hearts" (beyond the point of shakubuku) is complicity.

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/145#para-8
... Neither Buddhas nor gods would ever accept contributions
... from those who slander the correct teaching. Then how can
... we human beings accept them? The deity of Kasuga Shrine
... proclaimed through an oracle that he would accept nothing
... from those with impure hearts, though he should have to
... eat the flames of burning copper; that he would refuse to
... set foot in their homes, though he should have to sit on
... red-hot copper. He would rather come down to a miserable
... hut with weeds choking the passageway, or to a poor
... thatched house. He declared that he would never visit
... persons lacking in faith, even if they hung sacred
... festoons for a thousand days to welcome him, but that he
... would go to a house where the people have a mind of
... faith, even though they might be in mourning for a
... parent. Lamenting that slanderers have overrun this
... country, the benevolent gods have abandoned it and
... ascended to heaven. “THOSE WITH IMPURE HEARTS” MEANS
... THOSE WHO REFUSE TO EMBRACE THE LOTUS SUTRA, AS IS STATED
... IN THE FIFTH VOLUME OF THE SUTRA. If the gods themselves
... regard alms from slanderers as more abominable than the
... flames of burning copper, how could we human beings
... possibly accept them? If someone were to kill our parents
... and then try to offer us some gift, could we possibly
... accept it? NOT EVEN WISE PERSONS OR SAGES CAN AVOID THE
... HELL OF INCESSANT SUFFERING IF THEY ACCEPT OFFERINGS FROM
... SLANDERERS. NOR SHOULD YOU ASSOCIATE WITH SLANDERERS, FOR
... IF YOU DO, YOU WILL SHARE THE SAME GUILT AS THEY. THIS
... YOU SHOULD FEAR ABOVE ALL.
...
... Shakyamuni Buddha is the father, sovereign, and teacher
... of all the other Buddhas and all the gods, of the whole
... assembly of human and heavenly beings, and of all living
... beings. How could the heavenly gods and benevolent
... deities rejoice if the Buddha were killed? Today all the
... people of our country have proved to be enemies of
... Shakyamuni Buddha, but more than laymen or laywomen, it
... is the priests with perverse wisdom and hearts who are
... the Buddha’s worst enemies. There are two kinds of
... wisdom, correct and perverse. NO MATTER HOW WISE A PERSON
... MAY APPEAR, IF HIS ASSERTIONS ARE WARPED YOU SHOULD NOT
... LISTEN TO HIM. NOR SHOULD YOU FOLLOW PRIESTS MERELY
... BECAUSE THEY ARE VENERABLE OR OF HIGH RANK. But if a
... person has the wisdom to know the true meaning of the
... Lotus Sutra, no matter how lowly he may appear, pay
... respect to him and make offerings to him as though he
... were a living Thus Come One . Thus it is written in the
... sutra. That is why the Great Teacher Dengyō says that
... the men and women who believe in this sutra, even if they
... lack knowledge or violate the precepts, should be seated
... above priests who observe all two hundred and fifty
... precepts of the Hinayana teachings, and never be seated
... in a humble position, and that this is all the more true
... of the priests of this Mahayana sutra.

And complicity in slander is a complex and wide-reaching phenomenon: for individuals, for families and for countries. Hence the importance of the Kosen Rufu movement and the profound punishment that comes from undermining it. From the "Letter to Akimoto", WND I

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/144#para-25

... In practicing the teaching of the Lotus Sutra, there are
... three principles that must be understood. The first is
... that regarding slanderers. The monk Superior Intent, the
... monk Shore of Suffering, the Scholar Vimalamitra, and the
... Great Arrogant Brahman are examples. These men dressed
... their bodies in the three robes, lifted a single begging
... bowl up before their eyes, and meticulously observed the
... two hundred and fifty precepts, and yet they were in fact
... enemies of the Mahayana and in the end fell into the great
... citadel of the hell of incessant suffering.
...
... In recent times in Japan there have been men like Kōbō,
... Jikaku, and Chishō who observed the precepts just as those
... earlier monks did and who did not differ from them in
... wisdom. But because they asserted that the True Word
... teaching of the Mahāvairochana Sutra ranked first and the
... Lotus Sutra ranked second or third, if my view of the
... matter should by any chance be correct, they are now in
... the great citadel of the hell of incessant suffering.
...
... IT IS A FEARFUL THING TO UTTER SUCH WORDS, AND STILL MORE
... DOES ONE HESITATE TO PUT THEM INTO WRITING. BUT WHEN THE
... BUDDHA HIMSELF HAS DECLARED THAT THE LOTUS SUTRA IS
... FOREMOST, IF ONE LEARNS OF A PERSON WHO RANKS IT SECOND OR
... THIRD AND, OUT OF FEAR OF OTHER PEOPLE OR OF GOVERNMENT
... AUTHORITIES, FAILS TO SPEAK OUT, THEN “ONE IS IN FACT HIS
... ENEMY,” THAT IS, ONE IS ACTING AS A FEARFUL ENEMY TO ALL
... LIVING BEINGS. THIS IS STATED IN BOTH THE SUTRAS AND THE
... COMMENTARIES, AND SO I SPEAK OUT.
...
... TO SPEAK OUT WITHOUT FEARING OTHERS AND WITHOUT FLINCHING
... BEFORE SOCIETY—THIS IS WHAT THE SUTRA MEANS WHEN IT SAYS,
... “WE CARE NOTHING FOR OUR BODIES OR LIVES BUT ARE ANXIOUS
... ONLY FOR THE UNSURPASSED WAY.”
...
... It is not that one does not recall the calumny, the staves
... and stones that were suffered by Bodhisattva Never
... Disparaging. It is not that one is unafraid of the world.
... It is just that the censure of the Lotus Sutra is even
... more severe. It is like the case of Sukenari and
... Tokimune, who acted as they did even though they found
... themselves in the camp of the shogun, because they longed
... to avenge themselves upon their enemy and were
... ashamed at the thought of failing to do so.
...
... THE ABOVE IS THE PRINCIPLE RELATING TO INDIVIDUAL
... SLANDERERS.
...
... AS FOR THE FAMILIES OF SLANDERERS, THE FAMILY MEMBERS MAY
... PASS THEIR ENTIRE LIVES WITHOUT SLANDERING THE LOTUS
... SUTRA. BUT EVEN THOUGH THEY PRACTICE IT EVERY HOUR OF THE
... DAY AND NIGHT, THE FACT THAT THEY WERE BORN INTO THE
... FAMILY OF A SLANDERER MEANS THAT THEY WILL INVARIABLY BE
... REBORN IN THE HELL OF INCESSANT SUFFERING. For example,
... those persons who were born into the family of the monk
... Superior Intent or the monk Shore of Suffering and became
... their disciples or lay supporters all fell, against their
... will, into the hell of incessant suffering. Or it is like
... the family members of Yoshimori. Setting aside those who
... gave their lives in battle, even the children still in
... their mothers’ wombs, torn from their mothers’ bellies,
... were killed before birth.
...
... NOW I, NICHIREN, HAVE MENTIONED THE THREE GREAT TEACHERS
... KŌBŌ, JIKAKU, AND CHISHŌ, WHO BOLDLY STATE IN THEIR
... WRITINGS THAT THE LOTUS SUTRA REPRESENTS THE REGION OF
... DARKNESS, THAT IT IS A FALSE AND DELUDED DOCTRINE. IF WHAT
... THE LOTUS SUTRA ITSELF SAYS IS CORRECT, THEN WHAT DO YOU
... SUPPOSE WILL BECOME OF THE PRIESTS AT MOUNT HIEI, TŌ-JI,
... ONJŌ-JI, THE SEVEN MAJOR TEMPLES OF NARA—AT ALL THE 11,037
... TEMPLES THROUGHOUT JAPAN? IF THE EXAMPLES CITED EARLIER
... ARE ANY INDICATION, THEY WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT FALL INTO
... THE GREAT CITADEL OF THE HELL OF INCESSANT SUFFERING.
...
... SUCH IS THE PRINCIPLE RELATING TO THE FAMILIES OF
... SLANDERERS.
...
... NEXT, WE COME TO THE COUNTRY OF SLANDERERS. THOSE PERSONS
... WHO HAPPEN TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THERE ARE SLANDERERS
... OF THE LAW WILL ALL—EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY—BE
... CONDEMNED TO THE GREAT CITADEL OF THE HELL OF INCESSANT
... SUFFERING. JUST AS ALL THE VARIOUS WATERS GATHER IN THE
... GREAT OCEAN, SO ALL KINDS OF MISFORTUNE GATHER ABOUT SUCH
... A COUNTRY. THEY WILL ABOUND IN THE WAY THAT GRASS AND
... TREES ABOUND ON A MOUNTAIN.
...
... When the three calamities pile up month after month and
... the seven disasters appear day after day, then hunger and
... thirst will prevail and the country will be changed into a
... realm of hungry spirits. When plague and disease sweep
... over the land, the country will become a realm of hell.
... When warfare breaks out, it will be transformed into a
... realm of asuras. And when parents, brothers, and sisters,
... ignoring the fact that they are kin, begin taking each
... other for a husband or wife, the country will become a
... realm of animals. Under such circumstances, one does not
... have to wait until death to fall into the three evil
... paths. While one is still alive, the country in which one
... lives will be changed into these four evil realms.
...
... SUCH IS THE PRINCIPLE RELATING TO A COUNTRY WHERE
... SLANDERERS LIVE.
...
... The people in such a country will be like those who lived
... in the Latter Day of the Law of the Buddha Great
... Adornment, or in the defiled age of the Buddha Lion Sound
... King. Or if what the Repaying Debts of Gratitude Sutra
... tells us is true, people will eat the flesh of their own
... deceased parents or brothers or sisters or of any other
... dead person, and they will eat live creatures as well.
...
... JAPAN AT PRESENT IS JUST SUCH A COUNTRY. THE ENTIRE NATION
... IS FULL OF PEOPLE WHO EAT HUMAN FLESH SUCH AS THE TEACHERS
... OF THE TRUE WORD SCHOOL, PRIESTS OF THE ZEN SCHOOL, AND
... OBSERVERS OF THE PRECEPTS. AND THIS HAS COME ABOUT WHOLLY
... AS A RESULT OF THE FALSE DOCTRINES OF THE TRUE WORD SCHOOL.
...
... Ryūzō-bō is merely one of the countless eaters of human
... beings whose case has happened to come to light. In a
... spirit similar to his, people procure human flesh and mix
... it with boar or deer meat, or cut it up and blend it with
... fish or fowl, pound it or pickle it, and then sell
... it. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE EATEN
... IT. ALL THIS HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN
... CAST ASIDE BY THE HEAVENLY GODS AND ABANDONED BY THE
... BENEVOLENT DEITIES WHO WATCH OVER AND PROTECT IT. IN THE
... END, THIS COUNTRY WILL BE ATTACKED BY OTHER NATIONS, ITS
... INHABITANTS WILL FALL TO FIGHTING AMONG THEMSELVES, AND IT
... WILL BE TRANSFORMED INTO A VERITABLE HELL OF INCESSANT
... SUFFERING.
...
... BECAUSE I, NICHIREN, HAVE FOR SOME TIME BEEN ABLE TO SEE
... THE GREAT ERROR OF ITS WAYS, BECAUSE I WISH TO AVOID THE
... OFFENSE OF COMPLICITY IN SLANDER, BECAUSE I FEAR THE
... ACCUSATIONS OF THE BUDDHA, AND BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND MY
... OBLIGATIONS AND WISH TO REPAY THE DEBT OF GRATITUDE I OWE
... MY COUNTRY, I HAVE ANNOUNCED AND MADE KNOWN ALL OF THIS TO
... THE RULER OF THE COUNTRY AND TO ALL ITS INHABITANTS.

Even the buddhist gods fear slandering the Law. This is why they flee countries where slander of the Law prevails widely, unabated by refutation and shakubuku. This causes their protection to dwindle for an entire country.

From "Letter to Niike", WND I

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/145#para-12
... Now that I am spreading the Lotus Sutra as the Buddha’s
... envoy, however, everyone from the ruler on down to the
... common people has become a slanderer of the correct
... teaching. So far Hachiman has done everything possible to
... prevent hostility toward the Lotus Sutra from developing
... among the people of this country, as reluctant to abandon
... them as parents would be to abandon an only child, even
... if it were unfilial. BUT NOW IN FEAR OF BREAKING THE
... PLEDGE HE MADE AT EAGLE PEAK, HE HAS BURNED DOWN HIS
... SHRINE AND ASCENDED TO HEAVEN. EVEN SO, SHOULD THERE BE A
... VOTARY OF THE LOTUS SUTRA WHO WOULD GIVE HIS BODY AND
... LIFE FOR IT, HACHIMAN WOULD DWELL UPON HIS HEAD. But
... since both the Sun Goddess and Great Bodhisattva Hachiman
... have gone, how could the other gods remain in their
... shrines? Even if they did not wish to leave, how could
... they stay another day if I reproached them for not
... keeping the promise they made at Eagle Peak? A person may
... be a thief, but as long as no one knows, he can live
... wherever he wishes. But when denounced as a thief by
... someone who knows him, he is forced to leave his dwelling
... against his will. In the same way, because I know of
... their vow, the gods are compelled to abandon their
... shrines. Contrary to popular belief, this country has
... become inhabited by evil demons. How pitiful!

What are the major constituents of slander of the Law in a practical sense? They mostly come down to plagiarizing and appropriating Buddhism and the Lotus Sutra into their corrupted teachings and practices (hence Zen, the martial arts, etc.: what Iain calls my phobias)

The Opening of the Eyes (I)
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-18

... They refuse to acknowledge that even a single person
... possesses the Buddha nature. In spite of this, one will
... sometimes hear members of the Precepts and Establishment
... of Truth schools declaring that there are Buddhas in the
... ten directions, or that all living beings possess the
... Buddha nature. This is because the teachers of these
... schools who appeared after the passing away of the Buddha
... had STOLEN THESE MAHAYANA DOCTRINES AND INCORPORATED THEM
... INTO THE TEACHINGS OF THEIR OWN SCHOOLS.
...
... TO ILLUSTRATE, IN THE PERIOD BEFORE THE APPEARANCE OF
... BUDDHISM, THE PROPONENTS OF THE NON-BUDDHIST TEACHINGS IN
... INDIA WERE NOT SO BOUND UP IN THEIR OWN VIEWS. BUT AFTER
... THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUDDHA, WHEN THEY HAD LISTENED TO
... AND OBSERVED THE BUDDHIST TEACHINGS, THEY BECAME AWARE OF
... THE SHORTCOMINGS OF THEIR OWN DOCTRINES. THEY THEN
... CONCEIVED THE CLEVER IDEA OF APPROPRIATING BUDDHIST
... TEACHINGS AND INCORPORATING THEM INTO THEIR OWN DOCTRINES,
... AND AS A RESULT THEY FELL INTO EVEN DEEPER ERROR THAN
... BEFORE. THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE ERRORS KNOWN AS
... “APPROPRIATING BUDDHISM” OR “PLAGIARIZING BUDDHISM.”

After observing the history of plagiarizing and appropriating and distorting and piling slander upon slander for dozens of generations, Nichiren Daishonin came up with what Nikko Shonin called the "Four Dictims". From "Letter to Akimoto", WND I

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/144#para-15
... BUT I, NICHIREN, ONE MAN ALONE, DECLARE THAT THE
... RECITATION OF THE NAME OF AMIDA BUDDHA IS AN ACTION THAT
... LEADS TO REBIRTH IN THE HELL OF INCESSANT SUFFERING, THAT
... THE ZEN SCHOOL IS THE INVENTION OF THE HEAVENLY DEVIL,
... THAT THE TRUE WORD SCHOOL IS AN EVIL DOCTRINE THAT WILL
... DESTROY THE COUNTRY, AND THAT THE PRECEPTS SCHOOL AND THE
... OBSERVERS OF THE PRECEPTS ARE TRAITORS TO THE NATION.
...
... Because I do so, from the sovereign on down to the common
... people, all people fear me more than they would an enemy
... of their parents, an enemy from a past existence, a
... plotter of treason, a night raider, or a bandit. They
... rage, they curse, they strike at me. Those who slander me
... are given grants of land, while those who praise me are
... driven from their areas or fined, and the people who
... desire to kill me are singled out for rewards. And on top
... of all this, I have twice incurred the wrath of the
... authorities.

However, as it was in the case of T'ien-T'ai and Miao-lo, some new slanders have emerged since Nichiren Daishonin's lifetime. They also must be refuted. From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude", WND I

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/88#para-79
... In the T’ien-t’ai school, however, there appeared a priest
... known as the Great Teacher Miao-lo. Though he lived more
... than two hundred years after the time of the Great Teacher
... T’ien-t’ai, because he was extremely wise and had a clear
... understanding of the teachings of T’ien-t’ai, he perceived
... that the meaning of T’ien-t’ai’s commentaries was that the
... Lotus Sutra is superior to the Profound Secrets Sutra and
... the Dharma Characteristics school, which were both
... introduced to China after T’ien-t’ai’s time, and to the
... Flower Garland school and the True Word school with its
... Mahāvairochana Sutra, both of which were first established
... in China.
...
... Up until then, either because T’ien-t’ai’s followers
... lacked the wisdom to see what was wrong, or because they
... feared others or were in awe of the ruler’s power, no one
... had spoken out. It was clear that a correct understanding
... of the teachings of T’ien-t’ai was about to be lost, and
... that the erroneous doctrines that were rife surpassed even
... those that had prevailed in northern and southern China in
... the period before the Ch’en and Sui dynasties. THEREFORE,
... MIAO-LO WROTE COMMENTARIES ON T’IEN-T’AI’S WORKS IN THIRTY
... VOLUMES, THE WRITINGS KNOWN AS THE ANNOTATIONS ON “GREAT
... CONCENTRATION AND INSIGHT,” THE ANNOTATIONS ON “THE
... PROFOUND MEANING OF THE LOTUS SUTRA,” AND THE ANNOTATIONS
... ON “THE WORDS AND PHRASES OF THE LOTUS SUTRA.” NOT ONLY
... DID THESE THIRTY VOLUMES OF COMMENTARY SERVE TO ELIMINATE
... PASSAGES OF REPETITION IN T’IEN-T’AI’S WORKS AND TO
... ELUCIDATE POINTS THAT WERE UNCLEAR, BUT AT THE SAME
... TIME, IN ONE STROKE, THEY REFUTED THE DHARMA
... CHARACTERISTICS, FLOWER GARLAND, AND TRUE WORD SCHOOLS,
... WHICH HAD ESCAPED T’IEN-T’AI’S CENSURES BECAUSE THEY DID
... NOT EXIST IN CHINA DURING HIS LIFETIME.

Sadly, it is quite difficult to call out the latter day followers so far removed from the initial crime of plagiarizing and appropriating the Lotus Sutra into their corrupted teachings. A good example of this is Dogen, who fancied the Lotus Sutra so much that he incorporated pieces into his writings. He is the father of Soto Zen (seated meditation), which is what most Zen believers practice, and he died not long after the Daimoku was first chanted on April 28, 1253.

Nichiren says that in spite of the extreme difficulty of calling out the profoundly ignorant followers of evil, that you must do so anyway. From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude", WND I

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/88#para-31

... Question: Do you really proclaim that Ch’eng-kuan of the
... Flower Garland school, Chia-hsiang of the Three Treatises
... school, Tz’u-en of the Dharma Characteristics school, and
... Shan-wu-wei and the others of the True Word school on down
... to Kōbō, Jikaku, and Chishō are the enemies of the Buddha?
...
... Answer: This is a very important question, a matter of the
... gravest concern to the Buddha’s teachings. Yet, on
... examining the text of the sutra, I find that, if someone
... should declare that there is a sutra superior to the Lotus
... Sutra, then regardless of who that person may be, he or
... she cannot escape the charge of slandering the Law.
... Therefore, if we go by what the sutra says, then persons
... such as this must be regarded as enemies of the Buddha.
... And if, out of fear, I fail to point out this fact, then
... the distinctions of relative merit made among the various
... sutras will all have been made in vain.
...
... IF, OUT OF AWE OF THESE GREAT TEACHERS OF THE PAST, I
... SHOULD SIMPLY POINT AT THEIR LATTER-DAY FOLLOWERS AND CALL
... THEM ENEMIES OF THE BUDDHA, THEN THESE LATTER-DAY
... FOLLOWERS OF THE VARIOUS SCHOOLS WOULD SAY: “THE ASSERTION
... THAT THE MAHĀVAIROCHANA SUTRA IS SUPERIOR TO THE LOTUS
... SUTRA IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE OURSELVES INVENTED ON OUR
... OWN. IT IS THE DOCTRINE TAUGHT BY THE PATRIARCHS OF OUR
... SCHOOL. THOUGH WE MAY BE NO MATCH FOR THEM IN OBSERVING
... THE PRECEPTS, IN WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, OR IN STATUS,
... WHEN IT COMES TO THE DOCTRINES THAT THEY TAUGHT, WE NEVER
... DIVERGE FROM THEM IN THE SLIGHTEST.” AND IN THAT CASE, ONE
... WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THEY ARE GUILTY OF NO FAULT.
...
... NEVERTHELESS, IF I KNOW THAT THIS ASSERTION IS FALSE AND
... YET, OUT OF FEAR OF OTHERS, I FAIL TO SAY SO, THEN I WILL
... BE IGNORING THE STERN WARNING OF THE BUDDHA, WHO SAID,
... “[IT IS LIKE A ROYAL ENVOY WHO] WOULD RATHER, EVEN THOUGH
... IT COSTS HIM HIS LIFE, IN THE END CONCEAL NONE OF THE
... WORDS OF HIS RULER.”

What constitutes slander is in contrast, that which glorifies the Lotus Sutra even more: the ability of the Lotus Sutra to save ALL the people. From "Rebuking Slander of the Law", WND I

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/48#para-42
... ALL THE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT JAPAN HAVE BEEN LED ASTRAY BY
... THE WILD ASSERTIONS OF HŌNEN, WHO TELLS THEM TO “DISCARD,
... CLOSE, IGNORE, AND ABANDON” [THE LOTUS SUTRA], OR OF THE
... ZEN SCHOOL, WHICH DECLARES ITS TEACHING TO BE “A SEPARATE
... TRANSMISSION OUTSIDE THE SUTRAS,” SO THAT THERE IS NOT A
... SINGLE ONE WHO IS NOT DESTINED TO FALL INTO THE GREAT
... CITADEL OF THE HELL OF INCESSANT SUFFERING. So believing,
... over the past more than twenty years I have never ceased
... to cry out in a loud voice against these errors, fearing
... neither the ruler of the nation nor the common people. I
... am in no way inferior to the outspoken ministers Kuan
... Lung-feng and Pi Kan of old. I am like the thousand-armed
... Perceiver of the World’s Sounds, the bodhisattva of great
... compassion, who strives to rescue at once all the beings
... confined to the hell of incessant suffering.
...
... WHEN SEVERAL CHILDREN ARE CAUGHT IN A FIRE, THOUGH THE
... PARENTS WISH TO SAVE THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME, HAVING
... ONLY TWO ARMS, THEY MUST DECIDE WHICH CHILD TO SAVE FIRST
... AND WHICH TO LEAVE UNTIL AFTER. THE LOTUS SUTRA IS A
... PARENT WITH A THOUSAND ARMS, TEN THOUSAND ARMS, OR A
... MILLION ARMS. THE SUTRAS PREACHED BEFORE THE LOTUS SUTRA
... HAVE ONLY ONE OR TWO ARMS, AS IT WERE. BUT THE LOTUS
... SUTRA, THROUGH WHICH THE BUDDHA HAS “CONVERTED ALL LIVING
... BEINGS AND CAUSED THEM ALL TO ENTER THE BUDDHA WAY,” IS
... A BODHISATTVA WITH INNUMERABLE ARMS.

Challenging Iain's depictions of these "phobias", Nichiren Daishonin warns his followers to be truly fearful of slander of the Law, outlining the punishments that go on and on ...

From "Reply to Hoshina Gōrō Tarō", WND I

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... The Great Teacher Miao-lo states, “I call upon those with
... eyes to examine this thoroughly.” Is one not without
... eyes who regards the Lotus Sutra as inferior to the
... Flower Garland Sutra? The Nirvana Sutra reads, “If there
... are persons who slander the correct teaching of the
... Buddha, their tongues should be cut off.” Ah, how pitiful
... that those slandering tongues will utter no words in
... world after world, and that the eyes clouded by false
... views will fall out in lifetime after lifetime, seeing
... nothing! Moreover, the Lotus Sutra says: “If a person
... fails to have faith but instead slanders this sutra . . .
... When his life comes to an end he will enter the Avīchi
... hell.” IF THIS STATEMENT IS VALID, KŌBŌ WILL SURELY FALL
... INTO THE GREAT CITADEL OF THE HELL OF INCESSANT SUFFERING
... WHERE HE WILL UNDERGO AGONY FOR IMMEASURABLE MILLIONS OF
... KALPAS. YOU SHOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE THE FATE OF SHAN-TAO
... AND HŌNEN THROUGH HIS EXAMPLE. WHO AMONG THOSE ENDOWED
... WITH WISDOM WILL DIP INTO THE STREAM OF SUCH SLANDEROUS
... TEACHINGS AND BE CONSUMED TOGETHER WITH THESE MEN IN THE
... FLAMES OF THE AVĪCHI HELL? TRULY, THE PRACTITIONERS OF
... BUDDHISM SHOULD FEAR THIS. THESE ARE ALL PERSONS OF
... PROFOUNDLY DISTORTED VIEWS. IN THIS CONNECTION, WE FIND,
... AMONG THE TRUE AND GOLDEN WORDS OF THE THUS COME ONE:
... “[THIS DEVIL KING PĀPĪYAS WILL IN TIME TRY] TO DESTROY
... THE CORRECT TEACHING OF MINE. HE WILL BE LIKE A HUNTER
... WHO WRAPS HIS BODY IN A PRIESTLY ROBE. HE WILL CHANGE HIS
... FORM INTO THAT OF A STREAM-WINNER, A ONCE-RETURNER, A
... NON-RETURNER, AN ARHAT, A PRATYEKABUDDHA, OR A BUDDHA,
... AND WILL TRY TO DESTROY THE CORRECT TEACHING OF MINE.”

And those punishments apply to those slandering the Law and also those attacking the Sangha that faithfully propagates the Law correctly. From "Embracing the Lotus Sutra", WND I

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... TO IGNORE THE SUPREMACY OF THE LOTUS SUTRA AND ASSERT THAT
... OTHER SUTRAS STAND ON A PAR WITH IT IS TO COMMIT THE WORST
... POSSIBLE SLANDER OF THE LAW, A MAJOR OFFENSE OF THE UTMOST
... GRAVITY. NO ANALOGY COULD SUFFICE TO ILLUSTRATE IT. THE
... BUDDHAS, FOR ALL THEIR POWERS OF MAGICAL TRANSFORMATION,
... COULD NEVER FINISH DESCRIBING ITS CONSEQUENCES, AND THE
... BODHISATTVAS, WITH ALL THE WISDOM AT THEIR COMMAND, COULD
... NOT FATHOM ITS IMMENSITY. THUS, THE “SIMILE AND PARABLE”
... CHAPTER OF THE LOTUS SUTRA SAYS, “IF I WERE TO DESCRIBE
... THE PUNISHMENTS [THAT FALL ON PERSONS WHO SLANDER THIS
... SUTRA], I COULD EXHAUST A KALPA AND NEVER COME TO THE
... END.” THIS PASSAGE MEANS THAT NOT EVEN A WHOLE KALPA WOULD
... BE TIME ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN THE FULL GRAVITY OF THE OFFENSE
... OF A PERSON WHO ACTS EVEN ONCE AGAINST THE LOTUS SUTRA.
...
... For this reason, a person who commits this offense will
... never be able to hear the preaching of the Buddhas of the
... three existences, and will be cut off from the doctrines
... of the Thus Come Ones, who are as numerous as the sands of
... the Ganges. Such a person will move from darkness into
... greater darkness. How could he escape the pains and
... sufferings of the great citadel of the Avīchi hell? Could
... a thoughtful person fail to dread the prospect of lengthy
... kalpas of misery?
...
... THUS THE SUTRA STATES, “IF THIS PERSON . . . ON SEEING
... THOSE WHO READ, RECITE, COPY, AND UPHOLD THIS SUTRA,
... SHOULD DESPISE, HATE, ENVY, OR BEAR GRUDGES AGAINST THEM .
... . . WHEN HIS LIFE COMES TO AN END HE WILL ENTER THE AVĪCHI
... HELL.” THIS PASSAGE MEANS THAT A PERSON WHO DESPISES,
... LOOKS DOWN ON, HATES, ENVIES, OR HOLDS A GRUDGE AGAINST
... THOSE WHO READ AND EMBRACE THE LOTUS SUTRA WILL FALL INTO
... THE GREAT CITADEL OF THE AVĪCHI HELL AFTER HE DIES. WHO
... COULD HELP BUT FEAR THESE GOLDEN WORDS OF THE GREAT SAGE?
... AND WHO COULD DOUBT THE CLEAR-CUT PRONOUNCEMENT OF THE
... BUDDHA WHEN HE SAID, “HONESTLY DISCARDING EXPEDIENT MEANS,
... [I WILL PREACH ONLY THE UNSURPASSED WAY]”?

In "On Establishing the Correct Teaching for the Peace of the Land", WND I, Nichiren Daishonin, speaking as the host, strictly explains the matter of punishment to the guest, who is questioning why the punishments are so severe. You should listen to the hosts words, Iain, as if he were speaking directly to you. He declares his only hatred is for the act of slandering the Law.

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... If we stop to consider, we must realize that, regardless
... of whether one is good or bad, right or wrong, if he is a
... priest, then he deserves to have alms and nourishment
... extended to him. For how could one beat and insult the son
... and still not cause grief and sorrow to the father? The
... Brahmans of the Bamboo Staff school who killed the
... Venerable Maudgalyāyana have for a long time been sunk in
... the depths of the hell of incessant suffering. Because
... Devadatta murdered the nun Utpalavarnā, he has for a long
... time gasped in the flames of the Avīchi hell. Examples
... from earlier ages make the matter perfectly clear, and
... later ages fear this offense most of all. You speak of
... punishing those who slander the Law, but to do so would
... violate the Buddha’s prohibitions. I can hardly believe
... that such a course would be right. How can you justify that?
...
... The host said: You have clearly seen the sutra passages
... that I have cited, and yet you can ask a question like
... that! Are they beyond the power of your mind to
... comprehend? Or do you fail to understand the reasoning
... behind them? I certainly have no intention of censuring
... the sons of the Buddha. MY ONLY HATRED IS FOR THE ACT OF
... SLANDERING THE LAW. According to the Buddhist teachings,
... prior to Shakyamuni slanderous monks would have incurred
... the death penalty. But since the time of Shakyamuni, the
... One Who Can Endure, the giving of alms to slanderous monks
... is forbidden in the sutra teachings. Now if all the four
... kinds of Buddhists within the four seas and the ten
... thousand lands would only cease giving alms to wicked
... priests and instead all come over to the side of the good,
... then how could any more troubles rise to plague us, or
... disasters come to confront us?

Written 27 years after first chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, Nichiren Daishonin writes about four kinds of punishment: general and individual, conspicuous and inconspicuous. He indicates that responding to the challenges posed by those facing these kinds of punishments takes the courage of the Lion King. From "On Persecutions Befalling the Sage", WND I

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... In the past, and in the present Latter Day of the Law, the
... rulers, high ministers, and people who despise the
... votaries of the Lotus Sutra seem to be free from
... punishment at first, but eventually they are all doomed to
... fall. The same is true in the case of Nichiren. There
... seemed at first to be no signs of protection for me. The
... gods who vowed to protect the Lotus Sutra, however—Brahmā,
... Shakra, the gods of the sun and moon, and the four
... heavenly kings—by now have realized in terror that if they
... leave their oath to the Buddha unfulfilled, as they have
... done for these twenty-seven years, they will fall into the
... great citadel of the hell of incessant suffering.
... Consequently each of them is now striving to carry out his
... vow. The deaths of Ōta Chikamasa, Nagasaki Jirō Hyōe-no-jō
... Tokitsuna, and Daishin-bō, who was thrown from his
... horses, can be seen as punishment for their treachery
... against the Lotus Sutra. THERE ARE FOUR KINDS OF
... PUNISHMENT: GENERAL AND INDIVIDUAL, CONSPICUOUS AND
... INCONSPICUOUS. THE EPIDEMICS AND FAMINES THAT HAVE
... ATTACKED JAPAN, AS WELL AS THE STRIFE WITHIN THE RULING
... CLAN AND THE FOREIGN INVASION, ARE GENERAL PUNISHMENT.
... EPIDEMICS ARE A FORM OF INCONSPICUOUS PUNISHMENT. THE
... DEATHS OF ŌTA AND THE OTHERS ARE BOTH CONSPICUOUS AND
... INDIVIDUAL.
...
... EACH OF YOU SHOULD SUMMON UP THE COURAGE OF A LION KING
... AND NEVER SUCCUMB TO THREATS FROM ANYONE. THE LION KING
... FEARS NO OTHER BEAST, NOR DO ITS CUBS. SLANDERERS ARE LIKE
... BARKING FOXES, BUT NICHIREN’S FOLLOWERS ARE LIKE ROARING
... LIONS. The lay priest of Saimyō-ji, now deceased, and the
... present ruler permitted my return from my exiles when
... they found that I was innocent of the accusations against
... me. The present ruler shall no longer take action on any
... charge without confirming its truth. You may rest assured
... that nothing, not even a person possessed by a powerful
... demon, can harm Nichiren, because Brahmā, Shakra, the gods
... of the sun and moon, the four heavenly kings, the Sun
... Goddess, and Hachiman are safeguarding him. Strengthen
... your faith day by day and month after month. Should you
... slacken in your resolve even a bit, devils will take
... advantage.
...
... WE COMMON MORTALS ARE SO FOOLISH THAT WE DO NOT FEAR
... EITHER THE WARNINGS IN THE SUTRAS AND TREATISES, OR THOSE
... THINGS THAT SEEM SOMEWHAT REMOVED FROM US. When Hei no
... Saemon and Akitajō-no-suke, in their anger, wreak havoc
... upon us, you must demonstrate a firm resolve. Men are now
... being sent to Tsukushi [to fight the Mongols]; consider
... yourselves in the same position as those who are on their
... way or are already at the fortifications. So far our
... believers have not experienced sorrows of that sort. The
... warriors in Tsukushi, however, now face a dreadful fate,
... and if they are killed in battle, they are doomed to fall
... into hell. Although at present we are encountering the
... severe trials of persecution, in our next life we will
... become Buddhas. OUR PRESENT TRIBULATIONS ARE LIKE
... MOXIBUSTION; AT THE TIME, IT IS PAINFUL, BUT BECAUSE IT
... HAS BENEFICIAL AFTEREFFECTS, THE PAIN IS NOT REALLY PAIN.

In this passage from "Letter from Sado", WND I, Nichiren Daishonin writes about the confusion regarding Buddhism in his time, and in ours there is not less confusion. Then he explains why the heart of the lion is needed to fight for the true teaching, and against the false and corrupt teachings that have powerful and aggressive followers, such as Zen.

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... Buddhism should be spread by the method of either shōju or
... shakubuku, depending on the age. These are analogous to
... the two worldly ways of the literary and the military. The
... great sages of old practiced the Buddhist teachings as
... befitted the times. The boy Snow Mountains and Prince
... Sattva offered their bodies when urged that by doing so
... they would hear the teaching in return, and that
... giving one’s life constitutes bodhisattva practice. But
... should one sacrifice one’s life at a time when it is not
... required? In an age when there is no paper, one should use
... one’s own skin. In an age when there are no writing
... brushes, one should use one’s own bones. In an age when
... people honor the observers of the precepts and the
... practitioners of the correct teaching while they denounce
... those who break or ignore the precepts, one should
... strictly follow the precepts. In an age when Confucianism
... or Taoism is used to suppress Shakyamuni’s teachings, one
... should risk one’s life to remonstrate with the emperor, as
... did the Dharma teachers Tao-an and Hui-yüan and the
... Tripitaka Master Fa-tao. In an age when people confuse
... Hinayana and Mahayana teachings, provisional and true
... teachings, or exoteric and esoteric doctrines, as though
... unable to distinguish gems from tiles and stones or cow’s
... milk from donkey’s milk, one should strictly
... differentiate between them, following the example of the
... great teachers T’ien-t’ai and Dengyō.
...
... IT IS THE NATURE OF BEASTS TO THREATEN THE WEAK AND FEAR
... THE STRONG. OUR CONTEMPORARY SCHOLARS OF THE VARIOUS
... SCHOOLS ARE JUST LIKE THEM. THEY DESPISE A WISE MAN
... WITHOUT POWER, BUT FEAR EVIL RULERS. THEY ARE NO MORE THAN
... FAWNING RETAINERS. ONLY BY DEFEATING A POWERFUL ENEMY CAN
... ONE PROVE ONE’S REAL STRENGTH. WHEN AN EVIL RULER IN
... CONSORT WITH PRIESTS OF ERRONEOUS TEACHINGS TRIES TO
... DESTROY THE CORRECT TEACHING AND DO AWAY WITH A MAN OF
... WISDOM, THOSE WITH THE HEART OF A LION KING ARE SURE TO
... ATTAIN BUDDHAHOOD. LIKE NICHIREN, FOR EXAMPLE. I SAY THIS
... NOT OUT OF ARROGANCE, BUT BECAUSE I AM DEEPLY COMMITTED TO
... THE CORRECT TEACHING. AN ARROGANT PERSON WILL ALWAYS BE
... OVERCOME WITH FEAR WHEN MEETING A STRONG ENEMY, AS WAS THE
... HAUGHTY ASURA WHO SHRANK IN SIZE AND HID HIMSELF IN A
... LOTUS BLOSSOM IN HEAT-FREE LAKE WHEN REPROACHED BY SHAKRA.
... Even a word or a phrase of the correct teaching will
... enable one to gain the way, if it suits the time and the
... capacity of the people. But though one studies a thousand
... sutras and ten thousand treatises, one will not attain
... Buddhahood if these teachings are unsuitable for the time
... and the people’s capacity.

In the Gosho letter "Wu-lung and I-lung", WND I below, Nichiren Daishonin deals with an example of a situation where slander of the Law is incurred at the death of a father with ceremonies based on teachings other than the Lotus Sutra. The Daishonin explains that the father's eternal life will be based on the meretorious practice of the daughter and the slanderous ceremonies will not have the deleterious effect that they might otherwise have had.

However, Nichiren Daishonin DOES NOT counsel her to join in with those slanderers and practicers of evil. In fact, it is her attitude of concern over the issue of slander of the Law that he praises. Be like her, Iain.

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... In your letter you mention the anniversary of the passing
... of your compassionate father, the lay priest Matsuno
... Rokurō Saemon. You say, “Since he left many sons behind,
... memorial services for him will be conducted in as many
... different ways. I fear, however, that such ceremonies will
... be slanderous unless strictly based on the Lotus Sutra.”
... Shakyamuni Buddha’s golden teaching states, “The
... World-Honored One has long expounded his doctrines and now
... must reveal the truth.” The Buddha Many Treasures gave
... testimony, declaring, “The Lotus Sutra of the Wonderful
... Law . . . all that you [Shakyamuni] have expounded is the
... truth!” And the Buddhas of the ten directions gave
... credence to the sutra’s verity by extending their tongues
... to the Brahmā heaven.
...
... ...
...
... I-lung said, “It was my hand that wrote the titles. How
... could you have been saved? Moreover, I did not write them
... with sincerity. How could it possibly have helped you?”
... His father replied: “HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE! YOUR HAND IS MY
... HAND, AND YOUR BODY IS MY BODY. THE CHARACTERS YOU WRITE
... ARE THE CHARACTERS I WRITE. ALTHOUGH YOU HAD NO FAITH IN
... YOUR HEART, YOU NEVERTHELESS WROTE THE TITLES WITH YOUR
... HAND. THEREFORE, I HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED. THINK OF A
... CHILD WHO SETS FIRE TO SOMETHING AND, WITHOUT THE LEAST
... INTENTION OF DOING SO, CAUSES IT TO BE BURNED. THE SAME
... HOLDS TRUE WITH THE LOTUS SUTRA. IF ONE PROFESSES FAITH IN
... IT, ONE WILL SURELY BECOME A BUDDHA, EVEN THOUGH ONE MAY
... NOT EXPECT IT IN THE LEAST. NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS
... PRINCIPLE, NEVER SLANDER THE LOTUS SUTRA. Since we are
... among the laity, however, we are in a better position to
... repent of our past slanderous words, no matter how grave
... they may have been.”
...
... I-lung reported all this to the ruler. The ruler said, “My
... wish has been answered with splendid results.” From then
... on, I-lung basked increasingly in the royal favor, and the
... entire populace of the country came to revere the Lotus
... Sutra.
...
... The late Gorō and the late lay priest Matsuno were,
... respectively, your son and father. YOU ARE THE LAY
... PRIEST’S DAUGHTER. I BELIEVE, THEREFORE, THAT HE MUST AT
... THIS VERY MOMENT BE IN THE INNER COURT OF THE TUSHITA
... HEAVEN. HŌKI-BŌ WILL READ AND EXPLAIN THIS LETTER TO
... YOU. Since I wrote in haste, it was impossible to furnish
... details.

Iain, you can complain all you want about your relationship with the ruler who has given you the message to deliver (see the below passage.) In the end you will either deliver the full content of Nichiren's unaltered message from the Lotus Sutra, or remain a traitor to the Daishonin and the Lotus Sutra.

What you are preaching now in your brand new Iain school, the practice of effectively "just chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo and focus on the Lotus Sutra" is not what Nichiren teaches, no matter how you twist his words (and you are one hell of a good twister of words, Iain.)

Nichiren Daishonin and the Lotus Sutra both teach the way of shakubuku. Shakubuku is NOT the propagation of slander and distortions of the Lotus Sutra, which is what it would be to be propagating the Daimoku and the Lotus Sutra without its protection from corruption, distortion, appropriating and plagiarism of the Lotus Sutra. That protection from slander of the Law is shakubuku and that practice must be propagated along with the Lotus Sutra and its Daimoku, otherwise slander of the Law will invariably result.

From "On Repaying Debts of Gratitude"

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... If, out of awe of these great teachers of the past, I
... should simply point at their latter-day followers and call
... them enemies of the Buddha, then these latter-day
... followers of the various schools would say: “The assertion
... that the Mahāvairochana Sutra is superior to the Lotus
... Sutra is not something that we ourselves invented on our
... own. It is the doctrine taught by the patriarchs of our
... school. Though we may be no match for them in observing
... the precepts, in wisdom and understanding, or in status,
... when it comes to the doctrines that they taught, we never
... diverge from them in the slightest.” And in that case, one
... would have to admit that they are guilty of no fault.
...
... NEVERTHELESS, IF I KNOW THAT THIS ASSERTION IS FALSE AND
... YET, OUT OF FEAR OF OTHERS, I FAIL TO SAY SO, THEN I WILL
... BE IGNORING THE STERN WARNING OF THE BUDDHA, WHO SAID,
... “[IT IS LIKE A ROYAL ENVOY WHO] WOULD RATHER, EVEN THOUGH
... IT COSTS HIM HIS LIFE, IN THE END CONCEAL NONE OF THE
... WORDS OF HIS RULER.”
...
... WHAT AM I TO DO? IF I SPEAK UP, I FACE FEARFUL OPPOSITION
... FROM THE WORLD AT LARGE. BUT IF I AM SILENT, I CAN HARDLY
... ESCAPE THE CONDEMNATION OF FAILING TO HEED THE BUDDHA’S
... STERN WARNING. FORWARD OR BACKWARD, MY WAY IS BLOCKED.
...
... YET PERHAPS IT IS ONLY TO BE EXPECTED. FOR, AS THE LOTUS
... SUTRA STATES, “SINCE HATRED AND JEALOUSY TOWARD THIS SUTRA
... ABOUND EVEN WHEN THE THUS COME ONE IS IN THE WORLD, HOW
... MUCH MORE WILL THIS BE SO AFTER HIS PASSING?” AGAIN
... ELSEWHERE, “IT WILL FACE MUCH HOSTILITY IN THE WORLD AND
... BE DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE.”

Leaving the Lotus Sutra unprotected by refusing to refute slander of the Law IS slander of the Law. And it is cowardice, as well. To attain supreme perfect enlightenment, you must be a heroic protector of the Lotus Sutra, like Nichiren Daishonin. That means being fearful of slander and then dealing with it, when it presents itself in a challenge to your buddhahood.

From "Condolences on a Deceased Husband", WND II

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... Unless I had some astute plan in mind, it seemed best to
... remain silent and not to speak out. And yet in the classics
... of non-Buddhist literature it is said that if a worthy man
... knows that the world faces destruction and fails to speak
... out, then he is a mere toady, a sycophant, a person with no
... sense of obligation. Therefore the worthy men Kuan
... Lung-feng and Pi Kan spoke out fearlessly on matters that
... concerned the safety of the nation, even though it meant
... that Kuan Lung-feng’s head was cut off and Pi Kan’s breast
... torn open.
...
... TURNING TO BUDDHIST LITERATURE, WE FIND THAT THE BUDDHA HAS
... WARNED THAT, IF A PERSON SEES AN ENEMY OF THE LOTUS SUTRA
... BUT FAILS TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST HIM BECAUSE OF FEAR OF THE
... WORLD, THEN HE IS A FOE OF SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA. NO MATTER HOW
... WISE OR GOOD HE MAY BE, HE WILL ASSUREDLY FALL INTO THE
... HELL OF INCESSANT SUFFERING. SUCH A PERSON IS LIKE A SON
... WHO SEES SOMEONE ABOUT TO KILL HIS PARENTS BUT FAILS TO
... WARN THEM, OR A MINISTER WHO SEES SOMEONE BRINGING RUIN ON
... HIS SOVEREIGN BUT, FEARFUL OF THE WORLD, DOES NOT SPEAK OUT
... IN REPRIMAND. SUCH BEHAVIOR THE BUDDHA PROHIBITS.
...
... For this reason, Bodhisattva Āryadeva, who was an envoy of
... the Buddha, was killed by a follower of the non-Buddhist
... teachings; the Venerable Āryasimha had his head cut off by
... King Dammira; the Chinese priest Chu Tao-sheng was driven
... into exile in a mountain in Su-chou; and the priest Fa-tao
... was branded on the face. All these men met with such fates
... because they honored the Buddhist teachings and did not
... quail before the authority of the ruler.

And likewise in "Letter to Akimoto", WND I

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... THE BUDDHA HAS CONSTANTLY WARNED US, SAYING THAT, NO
... MATTER HOW GREAT AN OBSERVER OF THE PRECEPTS ONE MAY BE,
... NO MATTER HOW LOFTY IN WISDOM AND WELL VERSED IN THE LOTUS
... SUTRA AND THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, IF ONE SEES AN ENEMY OF
... THE LOTUS SUTRA BUT FAILS TO REBUKE AND DENOUNCE HIM OR
... REPORT HIM TO THE RULER OF THE NATION, INSTEAD KEEPING
... SILENT OUT OF FEAR OF OTHERS, THEN ONE WILL INVARIABLY
... FALL INTO THE GREAT CITADEL OF THE HELL OF INCESSANT
... SUFFERING. SUPPOSE, BY WAY OF ANALOGY, THAT ONE COMMITS NO
... TREASONABLE ACT ONESELF, BUT KNOWS OF SOMEONE WHO IS
... PLOTTING TREASON. IF ONE FAILS TO INFORM THE RULER, THEN
... ONE IS GUILTY OF THE SAME CRIME AS THE PERSON WHO IS
... PLOTTING TREASON.
...
... THE GREAT TEACHER NAN-YÜEH HAS STATED, “IF ONE SEES A FOE
... OF THE LOTUS SUTRA AND YET FAILS TO CENSURE HIM, ONE
... BECOMES A SLANDERER OF THE LAW AND WILL FALL INTO THE
... HELL OF INCESSANT SUFFERING.” EVEN A MAN OF GREAT
... WISDOM, IF HE SEES SUCH A PERSON AND FAILS TO SPEAK OUT,
... WILL FALL INTO THE DEPTHS OF THE HELL OF INCESSANT
... SUFFERING, AND AS LONG AS THAT HELL SHALL ENDURE, HE WILL
... NEVER ESCAPE.
...
... I, Nichiren, FEARING THESE ADMONITIONS OF THE BUDDHA,
... accordingly accused all those throughout the nation who
... were deserving of it, and more than once I was condemned
... to exile or to death. Believing that my past offenses had
... now been eradicated, and that I was blameless of any
... fault, I left Kamakura to take up residence on this
... mountain, and since then seven years have passed.

Cowards cannot attain the supreme perfect enlightenment of the Lotus Sutra in Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism. And being a heroic protector of the Lotus Sutra will not likely make you stylish, popular or sexy. From "Letter to Hōren", WND I

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... Question: At what times should one offer one’s body, and
... at what times should one observe the precepts?
...
... Answer: A person of wisdom is one who, understanding the
... time, spreads the teachings of the Lotus Sutra
... accordingly; this is his most important task. If a
... person’s throat is dry, what he needs is water; he has no
... use for bows and arrows, weapons and sticks. If a person
... is naked, he wants a suit of clothes but has no need for
... water. From one or two examples you can guess the
... principle that applies in general.
...
... Suppose there is a great demon who is working to spread
... the teachings of the Lotus Sutra. In such a case one
... should offer one’s own body as alms to the demon; there is
... no need to offer any other food or clothing.
...
... OR SUPPOSE THERE IS AN EVIL RULER WHO IS BENT UPON
... DESTROYING THE TEACHINGS OF THE LOTUS SUTRA. IN SUCH A
... CASE, EVEN AT THE COST OF ONE’S LIFE ONE MUST NOT OBEY
... HIM. AND IF THERE SHOULD BE EMINENT PRIESTS WHO KEEP THE
... PRECEPTS AND PRACTICE RELIGIOUS AUSTERITIES, AND WHO
... APPEAR TO BE SPREADING THE TEACHINGS OF THE LOTUS SUTRA
... BUT ARE, IN FACT, SUBVERTING THEM, YOU SHOULD PERCEIVE THE
... TRUTH OF THE MATTER AND REPRIMAND THEM.
...
... The Lotus Sutra says, “We care nothing for our bodies or
... lives but are anxious only for the unsurpassed way.” And
... the Nirvana Sutra states, “It is like a royal envoy who .
... . . would rather, even though it costs him his life, in
... the end conceal none of the words of his ruler.” The Great
... Teacher Chang-an commented on this: “‘[A royal envoy . . .
... would rather], even though it costs him his life, in the
... end conceal none of the words of his ruler’ means that
... one’s body is insignificant while the Law is supreme. One
... should give one’s life in order to propagate the
... Law.”
...
... JUDGING FROM OUTWARD APPEARANCES, AT PRESENT I, NICHIREN,
... AM THE MOST PERVERSE MAN IN ALL OF JAPAN. AMONG A HUNDRED,
... A THOUSAND, TEN THOUSAND, OR A MILLION PEOPLE OF THE FOUR
... CATEGORIES OF BELIEVERS IN THE SIXTY-SIX PROVINCES AND TWO
... OUTLYING ISLANDS OF OUR COUNTRY, I AM DETESTED BY THE
... ENTIRE POPULACE OF BOTH HIGH AND LOW STATION. IN THE SEVEN
... HUNDRED OR MORE YEARS SINCE THE TEACHINGS OF THE BUDDHA
... WERE FIRST INTRODUCED TO JAPAN, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN
... ANYONE WHO WAS HATED TO SUCH A DEGREE BECAUSE OF THE LOTUS
... SUTRA. I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT SUCH PERSONS EXISTED IN
... INDIA OR CHINA, NOR DO I BELIEVE THAT THEY COULD HAVE
... EXISTED. THUS, I AM THE MOST PERVERSE MAN IN THE ENTIRE
... LAND OF JAMBUDVĪPA.
...
... Because of this, even my own kindred dare not visit me, to
... say nothing of those who are not related to me. They fear
... the authority of the government officials and regard with
... apprehension the sneers of the populace. Persons who have
... been helped by me, not only in religious matters but in
... secular affairs as well, fearful of the eyes of others and
... hoping thereby to put an end to talk, make a show of
... condemning me, though I do not think they do so in their
... hearts.

As I wrote this, I had a brush with death on Friday going to work at 6:20 AM. I acquired some cosmetic injuries and a couple of broken bones, but thankfully it was no where near what it could have been. I saw this coming from some ways off, but the lessening of karmic retribution from Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism is truly the most wonderful thing. I sleep in the palm of the Buddha.

It is so important to keep chanting and fighting until the moment of your death. From "On Practicing the Buddha’s Teachings", WND I

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/42#para-20
... LIFE FLASHES BY IN BUT A MOMENT. NO MATTER HOW MANY
... TERRIBLE ENEMIES YOU MAY ENCOUNTER, BANISH ALL FEARS AND
... NEVER THINK OF BACKSLIDING. EVEN IF SOMEONE WERE TO CUT
... OFF OUR HEADS WITH A SAW, IMPALE OUR BODIES WITH LANCES,
... OR SHACKLE OUR FEET AND BORE THEM THROUGH WITH A GIMLET,
... AS LONG AS WE ARE ALIVE, WE MUST KEEP CHANTING
... NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. THEN, IF WE
... CHANT UNTIL THE VERY MOMENT OF DEATH, SHAKYAMUNI, MANY
... TREASURES, AND THE BUDDHAS OF THE TEN DIRECTIONS WILL COME
... TO US INSTANTLY, EXACTLY AS THEY PROMISED DURING THE
... CEREMONY AT EAGLE PEAK. Taking our hands and bearing us on
... their shoulders, they will carry us to Eagle Peak. The two
... sages, the two heavenly kings, and the ten demon
... daughters will guard us, while all the heavenly gods and
... benevolent deities will raise a canopy over our heads and
... unfurl banners on high. They will escort us under their
... protection to the treasure land of Tranquil Light. How can
... such joy possibly be described!

I trust the Gohonzon absolutely and without limit. I will act in faith with the courage of a lion, no matter what occurs. From "Reply to Kyō’ō", WND I

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/45#para-2
... Since I heard from you about Kyō’ō, I have been praying to
... the gods of the sun and moon for her every moment of the
... day. ALWAYS CHERISH THE GOHONZON THAT I GAVE YOU SOME TIME
... AGO FOR HER PROTECTION. THE GOHONZON WAS NEVER KNOWN, LET
... ALONE INSCRIBED, BY ANYONE IN THE FORMER OR MIDDLE DAY OF
... THE LAW. THE LION KING IS SAID TO ADVANCE THREE STEPS,
... THEN GATHER HIMSELF TO SPRING, UNLEASHING THE SAME POWER
... WHETHER HE TRAPS A TINY ANT OR ATTACKS A FIERCE ANIMAL. IN
... INSCRIBING THIS GOHONZON FOR HER PROTECTION, NICHIREN WAS
... LIKE THE LION KING. THIS IS WHAT THE SUTRA MEANS BY “THE
... POWER [OF THE BUDDHAS] THAT HAS THE LION’S FEROCITY.”
... BELIEVE IN THIS MANDALA WITH ALL YOUR HEART.
... NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO IS LIKE THE ROAR OF A LION. WHAT
... SICKNESS CAN THEREFORE BE AN OBSTACLE?
...
... It is written that those who embrace the daimoku of the
... Lotus Sutra will be protected by the Mother of Demon
... Children and by the ten demon daughters. Such persons will
... enjoy the happiness of the wisdom king Craving-Filled and
... the good fortune of the heavenly king Vaishravana.
... Wherever your daughter may frolic or play, no harm will
... come to her; she will move about without fear like the
... lion king. Among the ten demon daughters, the protection
... of Kuntī is the most profound. BUT YOUR FAITH ALONE WILL
... DETERMINE ALL THESE THINGS. A SWORD IS USELESS IN THE
... HANDS OF A COWARD. THE MIGHTY SWORD OF THE LOTUS SUTRA
... MUST BE WIELDED BY ONE COURAGEOUS IN FAITH. THEN ONE WILL
... BE AS STRONG AS A DEMON ARMED WITH AN IRON STAFF. I,
... NICHIREN, HAVE INSCRIBED MY LIFE IN SUMI INK, SO BELIEVE
... IN THE GOHONZON WITH YOUR WHOLE HEART. THE BUDDHA’S WILL
... IS THE LOTUS SUTRA, BUT THE SOUL OF NICHIREN IS NOTHING
... OTHER THAN NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. MIAO-LO STATES IN HIS
... COMMENTARY THAT THE HEART OF THIS SUTRA IS THE REVELATION
... OF THE BUDDHA’S ORIGINAL ENLIGHTENMENT AND HIS
... IMMEASURABLE LIFE SPAN.

Those fears of Nichiren Daishonin and Shakymuni Buddha, which are shared gratefully by myself and others are real. It is irrational to ignore them. You can disagree if you want, Iain, but you should be real careful of just who you make light of.

-Chas.
Katie Higgins
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By request 😊

TOPIC back to the TOP-

Numerous spamming efforts by Chas mean this is definitely a ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Post 😄‼️

Cheers!
~Katie
l***@gmail.com
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No matter how many times something gets repeated to blockheads like you with closed minds it will never get through
Katie Higgins
2016-11-25 07:08:47 UTC
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Post by l***@gmail.com
No matter how many times something gets repeated to blockheads like you with closed minds it will never get through
It's always a good idea to check at the TOP and see which TOPIC the "Boy Band" has totally disregarded in favor of their lame smear campaigns :-)


alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren ›
Ikeda & Trump: Dangerous megalomaniacs !

A recap of America's Presidential Election calls into stark relief the uncanny appeal of narcissists-. Here is a summary of the similarities between "The BODY (Ikeda) and The SHADOW (Trump)-- for those who have faith in Myoho-renge-kyo and who read and study Nichiren's teachings directly.

WARNING about Trump before he secured Republican nomination: The "Most Writer" of Trump's bestseller, "The Art of The Deal", tony Schwartz:

In a New Yorker piece, Schwartz described a man unable to focus for any period of time and driven by a compulsive need for more money and more attention, to the point of reckless behavior.

If he were writing the book today, he said, it would be called The Sociopath.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wealth-myth_us_57b09a63e4b007c36e4f1bff


"“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Schwartz told the New Yorker. “

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/art-of-the-deal-trump_us_578ce629e4b0a0ae97c2aa9b


How many *warning signs* have been ignored regarding Daiskau Ikeda's narcissism?

"Polly Toynbee (who seems to lack any basic sympathy for things Japanese) said of Ikeda in a 1995 BBC broadcast (quoted here): “I think it would be hard to imagine a less spiritual man. […] A powerful megalomania; we got this aura of power from him that was extremely alarming. We then went, on another day with him, to some huge Nuremberg-style rally in a stadium, where everything was to the greater worship of him.” Arnold Toynbee, on the other hand, respected Ikeda and is almost deferential to him.”

https://davidderrick.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/soka-gakkai-and-polly-toynbee/


"He is also known as an arrogant and mean-spirited man who taunts Gakkai executives at meetings. Yet his combination of religious aura and political clout has proved devastatingly successful.”

https://culteducation.com/group/940-soka-gakkai/7670-daisaku-ikeda-statesman-billionaire-god-.html


"Ikeda's natural instinct for power (manifested from the Id) became uncontrollable long, long ago, and is thoroughly documented in the pages of this sub and on dozens and dozens of websites all around the net.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/2n4tgw/did_ikedas_hidden_powerlust_give_birth_to_his/


"This is the problem all dictators and 1%ers face. The richer and more powerful you become, the more people seek to take advantage of you, to use you for their own benefit. And for a dictator like Ikeda, those closest to him are going to be scheming to take over, exactly the same way Ikeda did when he was close to Toda. Ikeda even locked himself in Toda's room as Toda lay dying, so no one else could get in or observe. And he didn't open the door until Toda was good and dead. Did Ikeda speed up the process? Toda was a raging alcoholic who smoked like a chimney. He was clearly in bad shape already, no matter how you sliced it, and he'd been sick for a while. Did Ikeda get tired of waiting for nature to run its course?”

https://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/3b1cgj/ikeda_has_no_friends/

Will Ikeda's ghost writers come forward in the same spirit of caring about *the people* that was shown by Tony Schwartz?


While over half of Americans are organizing their political strategies for preventing Pres. Elect Donald Trump from enacting his campaign promises around immigration, censoring the press and radically changing out foreign and global trade policies, I think there is an even more relevant task at hand for practitioners of Nichiren's Lotus Sutra Buddhism-- to rid our country of this ONE evil, SGIkeda-USA.


Namu-Myoho-Renge-Kyo
Chas.
2016-11-27 04:36:08 UTC
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Iain and Katie learn about the common mortal, the true aspect vs. statues, and mentor and disciple +

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/q5KquzMkPUk/wC0sjQuuBAAJ

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-7, ***@gmail.com wrote:
||| Stick to the point Chas, you have 8 points outstanding
||| that you are avoiding addressing based on Gosho. Your
||| attempts to divert discussion to another irrelevant track
||| are noted.
|||
||| Readers can decide for themselves the extent to which
||| your over generalised assertions about scientists and
||| scholars are correct based on the fact that the airplanes
||| the fly in generally but not always take off, stay in the
||| air and land safely.
|||

Bernoulli's principle which underlies lift is well understood. It has to do with the mean free path of the random walk of particles in a gas which is always largest in the direction of low density (less traffic.)

||| How does that happen, ah yes scholarly and scientific
||| rigor. The computers and the net they use are products of
||| quantum mechanical understandings of the world. How does
||| that happen? Oh yes the same rigor.
|||

However, quantum mechanics is the least understood of all disciplines, even by the best. Feynman would often remark that we know the general rules that Mother Nature operates by, but they are mighty strange and no one understands why she does things the way she does. This is even more true now as we mix quantum mechanics with relativity in small areas. Did you know that an un-accelerated observer looking at a vacuum sees only occasional virtual particles being created and destroyed, but an observer under strong acceleration sees the vacuum filled with particles?

There is even a rocket engine that appears to work that uses these virtual particles as reaction mass. The world is mighty strange indeed, and few would profess to have the kind of deep understanding that would allow anyone to have blind faith in one scholar.

||| The fact that they can now often survive what were once
||| terminal illnesses because of advances in medical
||| science, how does that happen? Oh yes, the same rigor.
|||

The most effective of modern medicines extracted from natural sources are used, but little understood in terms of why they work and others like them don't, an exception to this is CRISPR and other synthetic approaches which we understand quite well, precisely because we made them with a purpose. The purposes and intent of the plants, fungi and animals we get most medicines from are not yet clear to us. We just have found them to be effective in certain cases, under certain regimes.

||| If Jacqueline Stone is such a poor scholar, because she
||| happens to present an argument and information that is
||| inconvenient to your fantasy view of the world, how come
||| she was good enough to help translate the very writings
||| you have relied upon for so many years? Why did SGI
||| employ her?
|||

I don't remember analyzing that scholar or any other. What I am challenging is your blind trust in one academic source in probably what is the softest of sciences: Buddhist historiography. The academy in that discipline is filled with Theravada/Hinayana scholars who cannot be trusted. They regularly ignore physical evidence in favor of their cherished beliefs, which are distortions of the truth.

||| But that's besides the point isn't it? Because you
||| can't quote Gosho to support your case and even the Oral
||| Record doctrine you have quoted undermines it.
|||
||| I'll say again, if we are all "born a buddha", which is
||| your sentence not mine, what need for Shayamuni, Nichiren
||| etc. what need for activities for kosen rufu?
|||

I showed this to you before in part, but you ignored it, which is the main reasons you still have eight points for me: such is my Sisyphean role in this Greek tragedy. I will continue to roll the stone up the hill of your ignorance, however.

This time I will walk you through it, both highlighting and inserting commentary, so that you cannot miss the point. ("Hope springs eternal", said Sisyphus under the watchful eye of Persephone)

From "The True Aspect of All Phenomena", WND I, p. 383-385:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-3

... NO ONE BUT NICHIREN has ever revealed teachings like these.
... Though T’ien-t’ai, Miao-lo, and Dengyō knew about them in
... their hearts, they never put them into words. They went
... about their lives keeping this knowledge to themselves. And
... there was good reason for this. The Buddha had not
... entrusted them with the task, the time had not yet come,
... and they had not been the Buddha’s disciples from the
... distant past. Only Superior Practices, Boundless Practices,
... and the other foremost leaders and guiding teachers among
... the Bodhisattvas of the Earth cannot only appear during the
... first five hundred years of the Latter Day of the Law and
... spread the five characters of Myoho-renge-kyo, the essence
... of all phenomena, BUT ALSO GIVE CONCRETE FORM TO THE
... CEREMONY OF THE TWO BUDDHAS SEATED SIDE BY SIDE IN THE
... TREASURE TOWER. The reason is that what they are to spread
... and give concrete form to is none other than the teaching
... of the actual three thousand realms in a single moment of
... life in the “Life Span” chapter of the essential teaching.
...

1. "No one but Nichiren" has revealed these teachings, not even Shakyamuni, Lord of Teachings, who is negatively included with all others in the phrase "no one".

It was no one else's mission, but Nichiren Daishonin to reveal the highest truth hidden at the heart of the Lotus Sutra. Nichiren Daishonin explains this in various other places as due to the time, however, it is also due to who Nichiren Daishonin is.

Nichiren Daishonin is the man for that moment, who turns that wheel that makes the new era of the Latter Day of the Law or Mappo, by revealing the truth that no one else can reveal.

This is the man Iain calls a "latter commentator", and who I call Daishonin or True Buddha. Nichiren Daishonin is the revealer, not the commentator, oddly, that role is left to Shakyamuni who predicted Nichiren Daishonin's revelation of the heart of the Lotus Sutra: the heart of the highest teaching.

The heart of the highest teaching that he reveals is not indicated directly in any quote in the Lotus Sutra, such that you can actually logically prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what Nichiren Daishonin reveals is the truth.

The truth of the Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra, as in all far lesser religious truths, is not logically deduced or induced, but is based on faith alone: however, in both the Western and Eastern worlds, Reason includes both Logic AND Faith.

Hence, faith-based logic is reasonable, unless you are without faith, then that logic is not reasonable and makes no sense whatsoever.

Faith in this case implies practice, you have to chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to come to believe in it and experience the result to gain faith.

2. However, before you can have faith in the power of the daimoku, you had to have faith in Nichiren Daishonin, who reveals that highest truth, you would have to have faith in the mentor, that he is revealing to you, the disciple, the absolute truth and nothing else. Otherwise, your practice of the Lotus Sutra would be Tendai, and simple recitation of its chapters to your statues.

Not having faith in Nichiren Daishonin, since you had never heard of him, you had to have faith in the mentor that introduced you, or taught you to chant, or led the first district meeting you went to, or ... whoever the bodhisattva was: that person had faith in the daimoku, the Gohonzon and hence, that Nichiren Daishonin was in fact, completely right! The disciple first receives faith in the veracity of Nichiren Daishonin (or an echo of it) from their mentor.

3. "Only Superior Practices, Boundless Practices, and the other foremost leaders and guiding teachers among the Bodhisattvas of the Earth ..." "... also give concrete form to the ceremony of the two Buddhas seated side by side in the treasure tower." That concrete form is the Gohonzon, the highest object of worship.

Shakyamuni not only cannot reveal the highest teaching ... also, he cannot enscribe the Gohonzon.

Why? Because it is not his mission given by the eternal Buddha. That was given to the very first of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth, Nichiren Daishonin, as the embodiment of Superior Practices, or Jogyo.

This means you either trust what Nichiren Daishonin says and choose the Gohonzon as your highest object of worship to chant the daimoku to, or distrust Nichiren Daishonin and chant the daimoku to your statues. You will however, have to choose which path to take, with hell to pay upon your mistaken choice.

... THEREFORE, THE TWO BUDDHAS, SHAKYAMUNI AND MANY TREASURES,
... ARE BUDDHAS WHO ARE FUNCTIONS [OF MYOHO-RENGE-KYO]. IT IS
... MYOHO-RENGE-KYO THAT IS THE TRUE BUDDHA. This is what is
... described in the sutra as “the Thus Come One’s secret and
... his transcendental powers.” THE “THUS COME ONE’S SECRET”
... REFERS TO THE ENTITY OF THE BUDDHA’S THREE BODIES, AND IT
... REFERS TO THE TRUE BUDDHA. “His transcendental powers”
... refers to the functions of the three bodies, and it refers
... to provisional Buddhas. A COMMON MORTAL IS AN ENTITY OF THE
... THREE BODIES, AND A TRUE BUDDHA. A Buddha is a function of
... the three bodies, and a provisional Buddha. In that case,
... though it is thought that Shakyamuni Buddha possesses the
... three virtues of sovereign, teacher, and parent for the
... sake of all of us living beings, that is not so. ON THE
... CONTRARY, IT IS COMMON MORTALS WHO ENDOW HIM WITH THE THREE
... VIRTUES.
...

4. "Therefore, the two Buddhas, Shakyamuni and Many Treasures, are Buddhas who are functions [of Myoho-renge-kyo]. It is Myoho-renge-kyo that is the true Buddha."

Shakyamuni (and Taho) are functions of the eternal Buddha, Myoho-Renge-Kyo, which we invoke in the daimoku.

Is that crystal clear? If you chant the daimoku, you have to have faith that Nichiren Daishonin is correct, otherwise Myoho-Renge-Kyo would not be the eternal Buddha: and if you accept that, then Shakyamuni would not be a function of Myoho-Renge-Kyo.

You cannot have it both ways, you must give up the supremacy of Shakyamuni and stop chanting to images of him, since you cannot chant the highest teaching hidden in the Lotus Sutra that was revealed by Nichiren Daishonin unless you agree with him on this completely central point. Stop chanting to functions, and chant to the Gohonzon.

5. These three phrases (a through c, below) refer to the common mortal, or true Buddha, which Nichiren Daishonin is, and also you and I as well as every common mortal. Common mortals in the Mappo era, after Nichiren Daishonin revealed the truth, are also Bodhisattvas of the Earth, according to Josei Toda.

Here's the proof of Nichiren Daishonin's point.

a. '“Thus Come One’s secret” refers to the entity of the Buddha’s three bodies, and it refers to the true Buddha.'

You can grammatically reconstruct that sentence correctly thus: '“Thus Come One’s secret” refers to the entity of the Buddha’s three bodies, AND “Thus Come One’s secret” refers to the true Buddha.' This is because the sentence contains two logical declarations conjoined as a logical tautology (true in all circumstances or interpretations - Wittgenstein).

This is where the logical connection is made between the entity of the Buddha’s three bodies, and the true Buddha. The AND means that the logical tautology is dependent on both pieces being conjoined in referential identity (otherwise the reference could not be true to both, because they could not be aliased together.)

Hence,
{the true Buddha = entity of the three bodies.}

b. "A common mortal is an entity of the three bodies, and a true Buddha."

You can grammatically reconstruct that sentence correctly thus: "A common mortal is an entity of the three bodies AND a common mortal is a true Buddha." This is because the sentence contains two logical declarations conjoined and they are jointly logically tautological in nature. The AND means that the logical tautology is dependent on all three pieces being conjoined in the strong identity "is".

Hence,
{a common mortal = the true Buddha = entity of the three bodies.}

c. "On the contrary, it is common mortals who endow him [Shakyamuni] with the three virtues."

You can logically insert the connected declaration (from section b.) into that sentence thus: "On the contrary, it is common mortals {a common mortal = the true Buddha = entity of the three bodies} who endow him [Shakyamuni] with the three virtues."

6. These two phrases (d and e) refer to provisional Buddhas like Shakyamuni, who are functions of the three bodies of the true Buddha.

d. '“His transcendental powers” refers to the functions of the three bodies, and it refers to provisional Buddhas.'

Similarly, this can be reduced to:
{provisional Buddhas(e.g., Shakyamuni) = functions of the three bodies}

e. 'A Buddha is a function of the three bodies, and a provisional Buddha. In that case, though it is thought that Shakyamuni Buddha possesses the three virtues of sovereign, teacher, and parent for the sake of all of us living beings, that is not so.'

Finally, this can be reduced to:
[provisional Buddhas(e.g., Shakyamuni) = functions of the {three bodies of {the entity = a common mortal = the true Buddha}}]

Q.E.D.

Any decent logician can verify this result. Find one with no skin in the game, like a Jesuit logic professor.

That suggestion follows the same reasoning whereby the Zen practitioner Burton Watson became part of the effort to translate all the SGI documents along with the Gosho translation committee. He had zero skin in the game with the disputing Nichiren sects, the only exception being his reputation as the world's foremost translator of Japanese and Classical Chinese writings by scholars of that era (Buddhist monks) into English.

Go ahead, challenge his veracity on any phrase in any of the texts he was part of. I'd like to see that.

This is why these translations are correct and those of the various Nichiren temples are not. It's because Sensei went to the top outside expert in the field, and paid a price for that.

... The “Thus Come One” is explained clearly in T’ien-t’ai’s
... commentary as follows: “The Thus Come One is a general
... designation for the Buddhas of the ten directions and the
... three existences, for the two Buddhas, the three Buddhas,
... the true Buddha, and provisional Buddhas.” THE “TRUE
... BUDDHA” HERE MEANS COMMON MORTALS, WHEREAS “PROVISIONAL
... BUDDHAS” MEANS BUDDHAS. However, because of the difference
... between ordinary people and Buddhas that stems from the
... disparity between delusion and enlightenment, ordinary
... people are unaware that they are endowed with both the
... entity and the functions of the three bodies.
...

'The “true Buddha” here means common mortals, whereas “provisional Buddhas” means Buddhas.'

That is another direct quote making this very point again. Clear and straightforward and unmistakable.

The common mortal is the true Buddha, whereas Shakyamuni and Many Treasures in all their eternal glory as inscribed on the Gohonzon, are functions of the entity that is any common mortal enveloped in his or her delusion.

That means that if a statue worshiper really wanted to enshrine a more proper image to chant to, it would be the picture of a drunk or a hooker on the street: better that, than just a FUNCTION of that true Buddha, that very human being.

This is why we don't chant to images, since images cannot have the true aspect, only the Gohonzon has the true aspect, which means without having aspect (from the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, without which the Lotus Sutra would lack the clear understanding of true aspect, and would therefore be less complete.)

... “All phenomena” in the sutra refers to the Ten Worlds, and
... the “true aspect,” to what they actually are. THE “TRUE
... ASPECT” IS ANOTHER NAME FOR MYOHO-RENGE-KYO; hence all
... phenomena are Myoho-renge-kyo. Hell’s displaying the form
... of hell is its true aspect. When hell changes into the
... realm of hungry spirits, that is no longer the true form of
... hell. A Buddha displays the form of a Buddha, and a common
... mortal, that of a common mortal. The entities of all
... phenomena are entities of Myoho-renge-kyo. That is the
... meaning of “the true aspect of all phenomena.” T’ien-t’ai
... states that the profound principle of the true aspect is
... the originally inherent Myoho-renge-kyo. This
... interpretation identifies the phrase “true aspect” with the
... theoretical teaching and “the originally inherent
... Myoho-renge-kyo” with the essential teaching. You should
... ponder this interpretation deep in your heart.
...

'The “true aspect” is another name for Myoho-renge-kyo; hence all phenomena are Myoho-renge-kyo.'

This is the fruit of the clear understanding of that description of true aspect.

If the true aspect was an image of Shakyamuni, then it could not be Myoho-Renge-Kyo, because Myoho-Renge-Kyo is without aspect, you cannot view it from any point and see an aspect.

Also, then all entities and phenomena could not be the true entity of Myoho-Renge-Kyo, without having the aspect of Shakyamuni, were Shakyamuni's image the true aspect.

All phenomena are the true aspect AND Myoho-Renge-Kyo, precisely because the true aspect means without having the aspect of any specific or particular entity.

This also, BTW explains that passage with all of the negations from the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Prologue/1#para-23

... his body neither existing nor not existing,
... neither caused nor conditioned, neither self nor other,
... neither square nor round, neither short nor long,
... neither appearing nor disappearing, neither born nor extinguished,
... neither created nor arising, neither acted nor made,
... neither sitting nor lying down, neither walking nor standing,
... neither moving nor turning, neither idle nor still,
... neither advancing nor retreating, neither in safety nor danger,
... neither right nor wrong, neither gaining nor losing,
... neither that nor this, neither departing nor coming,
... neither blue nor yellow, neither red nor white,
... neither crimson nor purple nor any other sort of color

This is all straightforward and clear from the reading of the supreme teaching and the Gosho.

... Although not worthy of the honor, I, Nichiren, was
... nevertheless the first to spread the Mystic Law entrusted
... to Bodhisattva Superior Practices for propagation in the
... Latter Day of the Law. I was also the first, though only
... Bodhisattva Superior Practices is so empowered, to inscribe
... [the object of devotion as] the embodiment of Shakyamuni
... Buddha from the remote past as revealed in the “Life Span”
... chapter of the essential teaching, of Many Treasures Buddha
... who appeared when the “Treasure Tower” chapter of the
... theoretical teaching was preached, and of the Bodhisattvas
... of the Earth who arrived with the “Emerging from the Earth”
... chapter. Though people may hate me, they cannot possibly
... alter the fact of my enlightenment.
...

Nichiren Daishonin enscribed all of those onto the Gohonzon. Not onto an image of Shakyamuni. Shakyamuni could not reveal the daimoku at the heart of the Lotus Sutra, not inscribe the Gohonzon, according to Nichiren Daishonin, who did both.

... Therefore, to have exiled me, Nichiren, to this remote
... island is, I believe, an offense that can never be
... expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas. A
... passage from the “Simile and Parable” chapter reads, “If I
... were to describe the punishments [that fall on persons who
... slander this sutra], I could exhaust a kalpa and never come
... to the end.” On the other hand, not even the wisdom of the
... Buddha can fathom the blessings that one will obtain by
... giving alms to Nichiren and by becoming his disciple and
... lay supporter. The sutra reads, “[The benefits he gains
... thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could
... never finish calculating their extent.”
...

Hence, slanderers, who deny the very intent of this sutra, which is its heart, commit"

"an offense that can never be expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas."

However, there is hope even for them, because:

'The sutra reads, “[The benefits he gains thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could never finish calculating their extent.”'

... Nichiren alone took the lead in carrying out the task of
... the Bodhisattvas of the Earth. He may even be one of them.
... If Nichiren is to be counted among the Bodhisattvas of the
... Earth, then so must his disciples and lay supporters. The
... sutra states: “If one [of these good men or good women in
... the time after I have passed into extinction] is able to
... secretly expound the Lotus Sutra to one person, even one
... phrase of it, then you should know that he or she is the
... envoy of the Thus Come One. He has been dispatched by the
... Thus Come One and carries out the Thus Come One’s work.”
... Who else but us can this possibly refer to?

Who else but Sensei, the SGI, and my unworthy self?

||| Of course, to get out of that one and make a case for
||| mentor-disciple transmission, you'll have to fess up that
||| the argument you are attempting to make is about inherant
||| functions of life, not defacto manifestation of those
||| qualities. For that one needs faith and Daimoku.
|||

Let's deal with Iain's false complaint upon his secret departure from the SGI, that Sensei and the SGI only recently veered away from Buddhism into the mentor and disciple principle. This is an ignorant proposition due to the evidence of mentor and disciple in the Lotus Sutra that I have presented now many times, and also a baseless complaint on your faux 'surprise' at the discovery of the veering.

Here is an example of two speeches, one from 1991 and one from 2007, both of which are focused on the mentor and disciple principle that was present from the beginning in the very first volume of the Human Revolution written by Sensei, and in fact the first volume of the Human Revolution written by Josei Toda.

From SGI President Ikeda’s speech at a youth training meeting held at Soka University of America, Calabasas, Calif., October 1st, (1991),

... Yesterday, at the conference for leaders of the United
... States and Canada, I talked briefly about the reasons for
... Nikko Shonin’s departure from Mount Minobu.
...
... The fundamental cause for his departure lay with the
... decadent priest Mimbu Niko [one of the five senior
... priests], who tolerated and even encouraged slanderous
... actions on the part of Hakiri Sanenaga, the steward of the
... area. This caused the area of Minobu [where Nichiren
... Daishonin spent the latter years of his life] to become
... defiled.
...
... Among Niko’s perverse views were his accusations that Nikko
... Shonin indulged in non- Buddhist literature. [Non-Buddhist
... literature here indicates Brahman writings of India, the
... Confucian and Taoist works of China, and general, secular
... and literary works. In some cases, the term is used to
... indicate scholarly writings and the Chinese classics, which
... at the time were considered the basic foundation of all
... learning, much as the liberal arts are today.]
...
... Nikko Shonin strictly upheld the spirit of Nichiren
... Daishonin as revealed in “On Establishing the Correct
... Teaching for the Peace of the Land.” Based on this spirit,
... he instructed Hakiri that for him to make pilgrimages to
... Shinto shrines was [against the Daishonin’s teaching and
... therefore] impermissible.
...
... Hakiri thereupon sought the counsel of Niko. Niko told
... Hakiri: “Being a person who indulges in non-Buddhist
... literature, Nikko reads ‘On Establishing the Correct
... Teaching for the Peace of the Land’ from that perspective,
... and so he fails to grasp its more profound meaning.” He
... thus undermined Hakiri’s trust in Nikko Shonin.
...
... Nikko Shonin cites Niko’s words in the letter, “Reply to
... Lord Hara,” saying: “[Mimbu Ajari Niko answered Hakiri’s
... queries, saying:] ‘That the tutelary benevolent deities
... have abandoned this country is written in “On Establishing
... the Correct Teaching for the Peace of the Land.” However,
... Byakuren Ajari [Nikko Shonin], basing himself on
... non-Buddhist scriptures, reads it in a biased manner and so
... is incapable of understanding its true intention’”
... (Hennentai Gosho, p. 1731).
...
... Niko contradicted the Daishonin’s teaching in telling
... Hakiri that it was therefore all right to visit Shinto
... shrines. Furthermore, he told him to visit shrines as often
... as he wished on the grounds that the Buddhist gods would
... gather at a shrine if a person who embraced the Lotus Sutra
... went there to pray.
...
... Hakiri placed his complete trust in this false teaching,
... which allowed him to do as he wished. “Niko is a priest who
... can be reasoned with,” Hakiri probably thought with
... delight. Almost invariably, a lay person’s deviation from
... the Daishonin’s teaching can be traced to the influence of
... a decadent priest skilled at accommodating the demands of
... lay people [regardless of what is correct from the
... standpoint of Buddhism].
...
... To Hakiri—who had lost his faith—the admonitions of Nikko
... Shonin, who strictly protected the Daishonin’s teaching by
... staunchly refuting slander, had already become little more
... than a source of irritation.
...
... Nikko Shonin declared Niko’s tolerance of slander to be
... “the workings of the devil king,” “a betrayal of the late
... mentor” and “[an offense equal in gravity to committing]
... the seven cardinal sins.” If someone who is charged with
... responsibility for protecting and spreading the Daishonin’s
... teaching willfully distorts and arbitrarily alters the
... teaching, then the actions of such a person certainly
... represent the workings of the devil. They are the actions
... of a priest of the greatest evil, who is guilty of
... betraying the mentor and committing the seven cardinal
... sins. This is what Nikko Shonin taught.
...
... These historical facts contain an important lesson.
...
... First of all, those who betrayed the mentor [Nichiren
... Daishonin] after his death all sought to justify themselves
... by making reference to some “more profound meaning”
... contained in his teaching, despite all documentary proof to
... the contrary.
...
... In Buddhism, the offense of betraying the mentor is
... extremely grave. It amounts to destroying the very life of
... Buddhism. People who do so try to win acceptance for their
... false views by saying, “You should listen to what I say,
... irrespective of what my mentor wrote.” And if someone
... presents them with written proof that shows their words or
... actions to be wrong, they try to gloss over the
... contradiction by saying: “That is a superficial level of
... interpretation. The true meaning is found elsewhere.”
...
... In exactly this manner, the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood is
... contradicting the Gosho and the guidance given by the
... successive high priests, desecrating them and attempting to
... consign them to oblivion. [A contemporary example of this
... is found in the priesthood’s abrupt denial of high priest
... Nittatsu’s view on the significance of the Grand Main
... Temple. This view had served as a fundamental guideline for
... both priests and lay believers of Nichiren Shoshu for more
... than twenty years. Yet now the priesthood claims claim that
... “the former high priest’s true intention is not contained
... in his official statements but is found elsewhere.”]
...
... ‘Although the mentor has died, his writings remain.’
...
... Nikko Shonin came to learn that Hakiri, in a quandary over
... whether it was permissible for him to make pilgrimages to
... Shinto shrines, had been making such remarks as: “The
... priests in the Kamakura area (followers of the five senior
... priests) say it is all right for me to go, but Nikko Shonin
... of Minobu has told me that I must not. Who should I listen
... to now that the Daishonin has died?”
...
... Thereupon, Nikko Shonin strictly instructed him: “Although
... the mentor has died, his writings remain. This is in ‘On
... Establishing the Correct Teaching for the Peace of the
... Land’” (Hennentai Gosho, p. 1731). When the Daishonin is no
... longer in the world, it is his writings that we should make
... our mentor. So long as we continue practicing in accordance
... with the Gosho, what possible cause for confusion can there
... be? Here Nikko Shonin teaches the fundamental attitude for
... the Daishonin’s followers.
...
... What a remarkable contrast between the attitude of Nikko
... Shonin, who made the Gosho his foundation, and that of
... Niko, who based himself on his own personal views and
... neglected the Gosho!
...
... We in the SGI are advancing in perfect accord with the
... teaching of Nikko Shonin, who represents the treasure of
... the Priest, as we make the Gosho our foundation. At the
... same time, we are now witnessing the appearance of the
... followers of Niko within Nichiren Shoshu.

Ikeda, D. (2001, April 6). Mystic Law Gives New Life to All Knowledge. World Tribune, pp. 1-2.

Note, how sixteen years later, nothing has changed in the view of President Ikeda, in regards to mentor and disciple. From President Ikeda's "The Great Vow of Kosen-Rufu and the Path of Mentor and Disciple" (2007),

... Nichiren then emphasizes the profound karmic bonds of
... mentor and disciple that link him and Sairen-bo, to whom
... this writing is addressed and who had weathered persecution
... on account of upholding Nichiren's teaching. To cherish the
... same great desire and to fight with the same spirit of
... selfless commitment as the mentor, even in the face of
... arduous difficulties, is the path of the oneness of mentor
... and disciple in the struggle for kosen-rufu in the Latter
... Day of the Law.
...
... It is the mentors and disciples of the Soka Gakkai who have
... revived the great path of Nichiren Buddhism in the present
... age, widening and expanding it further so that today it
... connects people throughout the world.
...
... The mentor of the "kosen-rufu of the entity of the Law (the
... Gohonzon)" is Nichiren Daishonin -- the Buddha of the
... Latter Day who revealed the Law of Nam-myoho-renge-kyo for
... the enlightenment of all humanity into the eternal future
... and set forth the method for its propagation.
...
... The Soka Gakkai is an organization carrying out the
... Buddha's will and decree. It is a harmonious gathering of
... believers directly connected to Nichiren and has spread
... Nichiren Buddhism throughout the world while overcoming
... countless hardships and obstacles.
...
... Kosen-rufu is a struggle to help all people transcend the
... suffering of death and actualize lives of genuine
... happiness, thus establishing a world in which genuine peace
... prevails. This is the true purpose of Nichiren's propagation.
...
... The Soka Gakkai's founding president, Tsunesaburo
... Makiguchi, fully inherited this spirit and set an example
... of selfless dedication to Buddhism by giving his life for
... his beliefs. The second president, Josei Toda, carried on
... Mr. Makiguchi's struggle with the same unwavering
... commitment. He established the ideals and practice of the
... Soka Gakkai and laid the framework for the harmonious
... community of believers founded on the spirit of "many in
... body, one in mind."
...
... Earnestly following this great path of mentor and disciple,
... upholding the principles of humanism and pacifism that are
... the essence of Nichiren Buddhism, I have spread its
... essential message across the globe through the pursuit of
... dialogue. When this path followed by the first, second and
... third presidents of the Soka Gakkai flows vibrantly as the
... lifeblood transmitting the philosophy and practice of
... Nichiren Buddhism throughout the world, the foundation of
... kosen-rufu in the present age will have been completed. The
... crucial five-year period for completing this process has
... now begun.

Ikeda, D. (2007). The Heritage of the Ultimate Law of Life. 2007 Buddhist Learning Review, pp. 75-76.

Your complaining about your "surprise" that Sensei only recently focuses closely on mentor and disciple as a prime requirement for achieving itai doshin, the unity of true believers (which is a prime requirement for achieving Kosen Rufu: if one truly cares about that,) is specious and unfounded: it was always there and you probably followed it until you started looking around for a good reason to make your deceptively secret departure, and then replace Sensei, steal his followers and start your own Sangha.

Once again, I express my condolences to the suffering friends and leaders of Iain in the SGI that had to go through the selfish and pointless finger-pointing theatrics of your departing Olympian death-scene.

||| You are ignoring one very key part of the Sutra in
||| trying to argue your case. You are also ignoring, as did
||| Mr Ikeda, one very key part of the Gosho he purports to
||| lecture on. I've been saving that, letting you tie
||| yourself in knots first.
|||

Spill it and your confused misinterpretation with it, or hold it back with your Tenji-ma gloating: that's your choice.

||| I suggest you do your homework and go read Heritage in
||| it's entirety, see if you can spot the extremely explicit
||| paragraph about transmission that directly refutes all
||| your objections and attempts to narrow the debate onto
||| what you foolishly thought was safe ground.
|||

Have read it. Ditto "Spill it and your confused misinterpretation with it, or hold it back with your Tenji-ma gloating: that's your choice."

||| Consider that me giving you a head start to prepare
||| your defense. Don't worry, I'll easily catch you up and
||| overtake you. It's not hard when SGI and Mr Ikeda's 2009
||| teaching is so variant with Nichiren's.
|||

The 2009 principle of mentor and disciple, and the 1991 principle, and Mr. Toda's, and Mr. Makiguchi's, and Nikko Shonin's (the finest disciple of the finest mentor, ever!) Nikko Shonin is invariant with respect to Nichiren Daishonin.

[snip the final perfidy of putting words in my mouth, again. That is not unlike lying, if I have never said those words, yes?]

-Chas.
___________________________________________________________

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 11:40:58 AM UTC-7, ***@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/110#para-4

||| "The meaning of this passage is that one should not
||| rely upon the words of the bodhisattvas and teachers, but
||| should heed what was established by the Buddha."
|||
||| Presumably bodhisattvas and teachers are common mortals.
|||
||| So here's the substitution:
|||
||| "The meaning of this passage is that one should not
||| rely upon the words of the common mortals and common
||| mortals, but should heed what was established by common
||| mortal".
|||

Wrong and out of context.

I was substituting in the same set of statements describing who is the true Buddha (common mortal) and who is a provisional Buddha (Shakyamuni). In context in the same logical flow of the same paragraph, not from another Gosho letter written in another year.

Oh, well, you cannot get it, your eyes are blinded to the truth of what Nichiren Daishonin is saying.

But at least I tried.

My point is proven, and you are wrong.

-Chas.
___________________________________________________________

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 9:47:28 AM UTC-7, ***@gmail.com wrote:
||| Chas, you forgot to take note:
|||
||| Let's look into "The Real Aspect of the Gohonzon", and
||| see what Nichiren teaches us.
|||
||| "This mandala is in no way my invention. It is the
||| object of devotion that depicts Shakyamuni Buddha, the
||| World Honored One, seated in the treasure tower of Many
||| treasures Buddha, and the Buddhas who were Shakyamuni's
||| emanations as perfectly as a print matches its print
||| block."
|||

Your argument is a non sequitor and is sign of your fallacious reasoning and mental corruption. I never claimed that Nichiren Daishonin invented the Gohonzon, which is a depiction of the ceremony in the air at the moment that the Law is passed from the mentor (Shakyamuni) to the disciples (Bodhisattvas of the Earth, chiefly Jogyo Superior Practices, who is Nichiren Daishonin).

Nichiren Daishonin is the common mortal, who is the true Buddha, as are you and myself. Shakyamuni is a function of our true Buddhahood, this is what Nichiren Daishonin says. Take it or leave it. If you leave it, you cannot believe in the daimoku, which Nichiren Daishonin revealed and that you have to take on faith. He sadi it, I didn't, why do you want to thwart what he says so clearly with all this flak? Just accept it.

According to the Ongi Kuden and thus Nichiren Daishonin, the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings: the Lotus Sutra in the Parable of the Phantom City chapter identifies the eternal Buddha (the Buddha of Limitless Joy, AKA the Buddha of Beginningless Time) as the grandfather of Shakyamuni, who as one of the sixteen princes, was the son of Great Universal Wisdom Excellence Thus Come One, son of "the grandfather".

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-1/7#para-15

... The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings says: In
... this passage we learn about the Buddha of the original
... state [that is, the Buddha of limitless joy]. “Grandfather”
... is another name for the Dharma-realm. The first three of
... the ten factors listed in the “Expedient Means” chapter,
... the factors of appearance, nature, and entity, are referred
... to as “grandfather.” Outside of these three factors, there
... is no wheel-turning sage king.
...
... The word “wheel-turning” refers to the phases of birth,
... abiding, change, and extinction. The words “sage king”
... refer to the element of the mind. These three factors,
... appearance, nature, and entity, are the father and mother
... of all the Buddhas of the three existences of past,
... present, and future.
...
... Now, when Nichiren and his followers chant
... Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, they are acting as father and mother
... of the Buddhas of the three existences, as their
... grandfather, the wheel-turning sage king.

That passage refers to this one, the one and only reference to "the grandfather", where his son who is the father of Shakyamuni, Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, attains enlightenment when "the Law of the buddhas finally appeared before him" :

The Parable of the Phantom City, LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35

... “Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
... passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
... finally appeared before him and he attained supreme perfect
... p.157enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
... householder’s life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
... was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
... kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
... when they heard that their father had attained supreme
... perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
... objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
... weeping, followed after them.
...
... “Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
... along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a hundred,
... thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects, all
... together surrounded the sons and followed them to the place
... of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the thus
... come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer alms,
... pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they arrived,
... they bowed before his feet, touching their heads to the
... ground.

Aside from that, who knows, I don't. As far as I can tell, the eternal Buddha has no person otherwise identified in the Lotus Sutra. Shakyamuni attained enlightenment after his father.

At any rate, who was first hardly matters, unless you want to worship a statue of the first enlightened one.

I am satisfied that the Buddha leading our regiment of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth is Nichiren Daishonin, AKA Jogyo Superior Practices. He is the mentor whose Gosho I have made my mentor. I practice as he says and only that way. I worship no person and images of no person.

I worship the Gohonzon of the True Aspect of all Phenomena, which, BTW is a topic none of you have touched on, although I have elucidated it fully for your edification.

||| "It is also stated that the profound principle of the
||| true aspect is the originally inherent
||| Myoho-renge-kyo.[Lotus sutra Chap.2] The Great Teacher
||| Dengyo said, "A single moment of life comprising the three
||| thousand realms is itself the Buddha of limitless joy. this
||| Buddha has forsaken august appearances." [The Treatise on
||| the Secret and Sacred Teachings]
|||
|||

Are you listening to yourself? The Buddha of Limitless Joy is without aspect, just as I quoted.

Not a statue of Shakyamuni. Get it?

||| Do you need page#'s-- not sure which text you have.
|||
||| IF Nichiren were the Original Buddha, teacher of
||| Shakyamuni, WHY wouldn't he claim credit for the SOURCE of
||| the Gohonzon as "his own invention"?
|||
||| OR REVEAL the identity you claim is is TRUE identity?
|||

Here is the text reference and also 450 or so lines above this line:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Prologue/1#para-23

Didn't claim that. Putting words in my mouth is lying. Don't do that.

All common mortals are the true Buddha, led by Nichiren Daishonin. Nichiren Daishonin is the leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth, AKA Jogyo.

||| With your own presumptions,You, Chas are identifying
||| Nichiren as a cunning, duplicitous teacher-- when it is
||| your Sensei who has earned that title a million times
||| over!!
|||

This is a pile of crap and weird supposition, avoid it Katie.

||| And that is the crux of the matter. You lost your true
||| mind before you posted your first comment on this
||| site---such is the fate of those who "follow evil
||| teachers".
|||
[snip the rest.]

-Chas.
Katie Higgins
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Chas.
2016-11-28 04:52:27 UTC
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Katie Higgin's Errors +

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/xJD6LNGes-E/T7xhQ2DbAAAJ

On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 5:07:50 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:

[snip]

||| How do I display my own adoring reverence for Shakyamuni ?
||| I have a small statue of Shakyamuni on the altar table
||| beneath my Gohonzon. I bow in reverence to it and chant
||| daimoku three times.
|||

[snip]

Instead of focusing on your fuzzy distortions of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, let's focus on these clear and indisputable mistakes.

1. In spite of the fact that one might have the "supreme object of devotion throughout Jambudvipa", the Gohonzon of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism enshrined in one's altar, one has decided (horribly) to augment that with the lesser acretion of a statue of Shakyamuni, who is a provisional Buddha and a function of the true and eternal Buddha.

This fact itself is demonstrated on the Gohonzon, and in the ceremony in the air in the one chapter and two halves of the Lotus Sutra.
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/O/16

Shakyamuni is on the left and Many Treasures (Taho) on the right seated in the Treasure Tower, whereas in the assembly centrally located and predominant over all is the devoted name of the eternal Buddha: NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. The name of the eternal Buddha who presides over the domain of Jambudvipa (our reality) is in fact Myoho-Renge and not Shakyamuni: and that is true in three ways (santai), across all nonsubstantiality, temporary existence and the middle way. This could not have been made more clear by the inscription of the Gohonzon.

Shakyamuni and Many Treasures occupy the same seat in the Treasure Tower that arises when Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is invoked and the ceremony in the air is recapitulated. That is manifesting Buddhahood, which is eternally inherent in all Buddhas (in all common mortals, in all living beings.) Shakyamuni and Many Treasures are provisional Buddhas and functions of the eternal Buddha, which is yourself and myself and all other selves across the ten directions and the three existences.

Otherwise one would be chanting Shakyamuni's name and not Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo. And then one's practice could not possibly work to make their life happier, even if it is true that one completely undermines the effects of chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo with their abundant slanders, which you do and that is why you appear to be an extremely unhappy person, Katie. You merely have to empirically examine your "rhetoric", filled with ad hominem fallacious reasoning to adduce that, it's not rocket science.

"Ad hominem" meaning slurs directed at others, who are common mortals and the true Buddha, as opposed to the erroneous thoughts, words and deeds that they outflow.

2. Because of the logic of number 1 above, one should have discarded all other objects of devotion, which are lesser. This is because one's true nature actually DOES NOTICE that one is worshiping a lesser object of devotion than the supreme object of devotion, the Gohonzon: and then one has undermined their life condition, which WILL ABSOLUTELY DISALLOW ONE FROM MANIFESTING THEIR BUDDHAHOOD.

3. Then there is the practice of ignoring the teachings of Nichiren Daishonin that contradict one's slanderous practice: this creates one's own private version of the Gosho Zenshu (missing the contravening Gosho letters and the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings, which are hated by you all.) Creating this "personal and private" version of Nichiren Daishonin's writings is an example of what Nichiren Daishonin calls "appropriating" and "plagiarizing."
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-18

One hates these offending Gosho passages and those Gosho SO MUCH, that one cannot even open the book to those pages, and then one fabricates stories and reasons to discredit those hated Gosho passages and Goshos, and finally to complete this act of treason, one drops them from their appropriated and plagiarized version of the Gosho (if one is Nichiren Shu.)

4. Numbers 1 and 2 above are the reason why we don't chant to images, since images cannot have the true aspect, only the Gohonzon has the true aspect, which means without having aspect (from the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, without which the Lotus Sutra would lack the clear understanding of true aspect, and would therefore be less complete.)

From the Gosho you hate, The True Aspect of All Phenomena, WND I, p. 384:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-6

... “All phenomena” in the sutra refers to the Ten Worlds, and
... the “true aspect,” to what they actually are. THE “TRUE
... ASPECT” IS ANOTHER NAME FOR MYOHO-RENGE-KYO; hence all
... phenomena are Myoho-renge-kyo. Hell’s displaying the form
... of hell is its true aspect. When hell changes into the
... realm of hungry spirits, that is no longer the true form of
... hell. A Buddha displays the form of a Buddha, and a common
... mortal, that of a common mortal. The entities of all
... phenomena are entities of Myoho-renge-kyo. That is the
... meaning of “the true aspect of all phenomena.” T’ien-t’ai
... states that the profound principle of the true aspect is
... the originally inherent Myoho-renge-kyo. This
... interpretation identifies the phrase “true aspect” with the
... theoretical teaching and “the originally inherent
... Myoho-renge-kyo” with the essential teaching. You should
... ponder this interpretation deep in your heart.
...

'The “true aspect” is another name for Myoho-renge-kyo; hence all phenomena are Myoho-renge-kyo.'

This is the fruit of the clear understanding of that description of true aspect.

If the true aspect was an image of Shakyamuni, then it could not be Myoho-Renge-Kyo, because Myoho-Renge-Kyo is without aspect, you cannot view it from any point and see an aspect.

Also, then all entities and phenomena could not be the true entity of Myoho-Renge-Kyo, without having the aspect of Shakyamuni, were Shakyamuni's image the true aspect.

All phenomena are the true aspect AND Myoho-Renge-Kyo, precisely because the true aspect means: without having the aspect of any specific or particular entity.

This also, BTW, explains that passage with all of the negations from the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Prologue/1#para-23

... his body neither existing nor not existing,
... neither caused nor conditioned, neither self nor other,
... neither square nor round, neither short nor long,
... neither appearing nor disappearing, neither born nor extinguished,
... neither created nor arising, neither acted nor made,
... neither sitting nor lying down, neither walking nor standing,
... neither moving nor turning, neither idle nor still,
... neither advancing nor retreating, neither in safety nor danger,
... neither right nor wrong, neither gaining nor losing,
... neither that nor this, neither departing nor coming,
... neither blue nor yellow, neither red nor white,
... neither crimson nor purple nor any other sort of color

This is all straightforward and clear from the reading of the supreme teaching and the Gosho.

A second time, from the Gosho you hate, The True Aspect of All Phenomena, WND I, p. 384:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-7

... Although not worthy of the honor, I, Nichiren, was
... nevertheless the first to spread the Mystic Law entrusted
... to Bodhisattva Superior Practices for propagation in the
... Latter Day of the Law. I was also the first, though only
... Bodhisattva Superior Practices is so empowered, to inscribe
... [the object of devotion as] the embodiment of Shakyamuni
... Buddha from the remote past as revealed in the “Life Span”
... chapter of the essential teaching, of Many Treasures Buddha
... who appeared when the “Treasure Tower” chapter of the
... theoretical teaching was preached, and of the Bodhisattvas
... of the Earth who arrived with the “Emerging from the Earth”
... chapter. Though people may hate me, they cannot possibly
... alter the fact of my enlightenment.
...

Nichiren Daishonin enscribed all of those onto the Gohonzon. Not onto an image of Shakyamuni. Shakyamuni could not reveal the daimoku at the heart of the Lotus Sutra, not inscribe the Gohonzon, according to Nichiren Daishonin, who did both.

A third time, from the Gosho you hate, The True Aspect of All Phenomena, WND I, p. 384:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-7

... Therefore, to have exiled me, Nichiren, to this remote
... island is, I believe, an offense that can never be
... expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas. A
... passage from the “Simile and Parable” chapter reads, “If I
... were to describe the punishments [that fall on persons who
... slander this sutra], I could exhaust a kalpa and never come
... to the end.” On the other hand, not even the wisdom of the
... Buddha can fathom the blessings that one will obtain by
... giving alms to Nichiren and by becoming his disciple and
... lay supporter. The sutra reads, “[The benefits he gains
... thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could
... never finish calculating their extent.”
...

Hence, slanderers, who deny the very intent of this sutra, which is its heart, commit "an offense that can never be expiated, even with the passing of countless kalpas."

However, there is hope even for them, because:

'The sutra reads, “[The benefits he gains thereby will be such that] even the Buddha wisdom could never finish calculating their extent.”'

Finally, a fourth time, from the Gosho you hate, The True Aspect of All Phenomena, WND I, p. 385:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/40#para-9

... Nichiren alone took the lead in carrying out the task of
... the Bodhisattvas of the Earth. He may even be one of them.
... If Nichiren is to be counted among the Bodhisattvas of the
... Earth, then so must his disciples and lay supporters. The
... sutra states: “If one [of these good men or good women in
... the time after I have passed into extinction] is able to
... secretly expound the Lotus Sutra to one person, even one
... phrase of it, then you should know that he or she is the
... envoy of the Thus Come One. He has been dispatched by the
... Thus Come One and carries out the Thus Come One’s work.”
... Who else but us can this possibly refer to?

-Chas.
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One more time I will offer up the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra passage explaining the true aspect, which is why Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is the daimoku and why the Gohonzon is the supreme object of worship and not pictures or statues of dogs, cats, elephants, people, Shakyamuni, Nichiren Daishonin, or any Hindu combinations thereof.

Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, Chapter 2, "Preaching the Law", Lotus Sutra pp.12-13:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Prologue/2#para-5

... The Buddha said: “Good men, this single doctrine is called
... the doctrine of immeasurable meanings. If bodhisattvas wish
... to practice and study these immeasurable meanings, then
... they should observe and perceive how ALL PHENOMENA, FROM
... THE BEGINNING DOWN TO THE PRESENT, ARE IN NATURE AND ASPECT
... EMPTY AND TRANQUIL, WITHOUT BIGNESS OR LITTLENESS, WITHOUT
... BIRTH OR EXTINCTION, NOT ABIDING, NOT MOVING, NEITHER
... ADVANCING NOR RETREATING, BUT LIKE VACANT SPACE, WITHOUT
... ANY DUALISM.
...
... “But living beings in their VAIN DELUSIONS MAKE WILD
... CALCULATIONS, SAYING, THIS IS ONE THING, THAT IS ANOTHER,
... THIS BRINGS GAIN, THAT BRINGS LOSS, AND GIVE RISE TO
... THOUGHTS THAT ARE NOT GOOD, CARRYING OUT EVIL ACTS,
... transmigrating through the six paths of existence and
... undergoing sufferings and bitterness for immeasurable
... millions of kalpas without ever being able to escape.
...
... “Bodhisattvas mahasattva, clearly perceiving that this is
... so, are moved to pity in their minds, and inspired by great
... compassion, wish to rescue these beings from their plight.
... THEY SHOULD THEN ONCE MORE ENTER DEEPLY INTO THE STUDY OF
... ALL PHENOMENA. IF THE ASPECTS OF PHENOMENA ARE SUCH, THEN
... SUCH-AND-SUCH PHENOMENA WILL BE BORN. IF THE ASPECTS OF
... PHENOMENA ARE SUCH, THEN SUCH-AND-SUCH PHENOMENA WILL
... ABIDE. IF THE ASPECTS OF PHENOMENA ARE SUCH, THEN
... SUCH-AND-SUCH PHENOMENA WILL CHANGE. IF THE ASPECTS OF
... PHENOMENA ARE SUCH, THEN SUCH-AND-SUCH PHENOMENA WILL
... UNDERGO EXTINCTION. IF THE ASPECTS OF PHENOMENA ARE SUCH,
... THIS CAN LEAD TO THE BIRTH OF BAD PHENOMENA. IF THE ASPECTS
... OF PHENOMENA ARE SUCH, THIS CAN LEAD TO THE BIRTH OF GOOD
... PHENOMENA. AND THE SAME APPLIES IN THE CASE OF THE ABIDING,
... CHANGING, AND EXTINCTION OF PHENOMENA.
...
... “When bodhisattvas have in this manner OBSERVED THE
... BEGINNING AND END OF THESE FOUR ASPECTS AND HAVE UNDERSTOOD
... THEM IN THEIR ENTIRETY, THEN THEY WILL CLEARLY PERCEIVE
... THAT ALL PHENOMENA, NEVER ABIDING FROM ONE INSTANT TO
... THE NEXT, ARE CONSTANTLY BEING BORN ANEW AND PASSING INTO
... EXTINCTION, AND THEN THEY WILL IMMEDIATELY PERCEIVE THE
... TRUE ASPECT OF BIRTH, ABIDING, CHANGE, AND EXTINCTION.
...
... “Once they have gained this perception, then they must turn
... to the capacities, natures, and desires of living beings.
... Because such natures and desires are immeasurable in
... variety, the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable;
... and because the ways of preaching the Law are immeasurable,
... its meanings are likewise immeasurable. THESE IMMEASURABLE
... MEANINGS ARE BORN FROM A SINGLE LAW, AND THIS LAW IS
... WITHOUT ASPECT. WHAT IS WITHOUT ASPECT IS DEVOID OF ASPECT
... AND DOES NOT TAKE ON ASPECT. NOT TAKING ON ASPECT, BEING
... WITHOUT ASPECT, IT IS CALLED THE TRUE ASPECT.
...
... “When bodhisattvas mahasattva rest and abide in this
... understanding of the true aspect of all phenomena, then the
... pity and compassion that they put forth will be based on
... clear understanding and not groundless, and they will be
... truly capable of rescuing living beings from the sufferings
... that they undergo. And once they have rescued them from
... suffering, they will preach the Law for them and enable
... living beings to enjoy ease and delight.

So, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo really does not sound like anything else and the Gohonzon really does look like anything else, not like a picture or a statue of Shakyamuni.

It reflects the inner glory of a common mortal, who is the true Buddha.

-Chas.

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